Pechauer with 314

Would the standard 314 shaft (the 5/16 x 14) fit the Pechaeur models which have the modified joints 5/16 x 14? I kinda noticed that if you order a Predator shaft with a Pechauer, the price is slightly higher. Is it because of the modification on the beauty rings or is it a modification on the joint?

[Sid]

hello,
It is because of the customization of the joint. it takes a special insert to be put in the shaft to accept the joint. A Predator partial shaft is inserted with the special insert and then fitted to the Pechauer cue by our cue maker KJ. Hence the extra cost. It is not something that just comes from Predator already set up.

The regular 5/16 X 14 thread Predator cue will not fit the Pechauer speed joint.
Later,

Can I assume that I can order a 314 shaft to fit a Pechauer separately? Thanks.

Sorry for the follow-up. My mind's not working right. Assuming I purchase a Pechauer from you guys and a Predator shaft later, would I still need to give you the dimensions of the butt? I know it's wishful thinking on my part to hope that you guys measure each and every cue, but what the heck.

[Sid]

Yea, that would really be a bunch.
At any rate, it may not be as bad as you think. Pechauers do not vary too much and we can usually come pretty close without the butt. I don't think you would be disappointed.

***Now, on with the disclaimer***

I do think that we might have to borrow Viking Cues Policy on the custom fitting of shafts and that is, the only way we can guarantee a perfect fit and roll of a shaft is if it is really a custom fitted shaft, and that would require the butt of a cue. The diameter is not the only concern though; there can be perfect fitting shafts that might be "faced" a little different than the butt. This will cause the butt to roll perfectly straight, and the shaft to be perfectly straight but when they are joined, the joint area might have a slight lift in the roll. It would never hurt the performance of the cue but people tend to really worry about how their cue rolls across a table.

Of course it will screw on properly, play great, but without the butt, there is just no way of knowing the exact diameter of the butt of the cue or the facing of the shaft verses the butt at the joint with out having it to fit the new shaft to. So, I guess the last word is that with out the butt, we will try our best to come close with the use of measurements (that is another thing. Are our calipers going to read exactly the same as yours???) , if not right on, but is that really close enough for you, our friend and customer? If there is any concern at all, send the butt. It kinda comes down to, if you want something good you have to pay the price. Only this time, "the price" is the most costly thing of all. Time away from "The" Cue.

OK, I am off the soapbox.... Play Ball!

Oh wait before I get down

The UNI-LOC joint is the only joint that I know that is consistently matched with the shafts. And this is only when the UNI-LOC joint is put on using the UNI-LOC joint SYSTEM.

The system involves using a precise mandrel during the construction of the butt and the shaft. This mandrel is fitted to the raw wood of the cue and then the cue is turned down to the mandrel. Each and every time a consistent diameter. The shaft is done the same way. This is why you can order a UNI-LOC shaft without the butt. As long as the shaft was made with the system as well as the butt. Now if the UNI-LOC joint was just inserted into say one of our partials without using the UNI-loc system and the mandrels, then it could be any diameter. Only the ones using the mandrels will be uniform. The mandrels are pretty expensive made out of a special material that will not get sanded down over time with a bunch of cues being sanded down to it so not everyone, especially custom cue makers like KJ has access to them.

KJ can install the UNI-LOC joint, but the neat thing is that he can just use a normal UNI-LOC butt to fit the new shaft to. This will match the diameter great, but then we are back to worrying about the facing of the shaft and butt. Who would have ever thought that joining two sticks of wood together could get so darn complicated..?

Chapter 2

Just kidding,
I am outa here,
Later,

Yea, that would really be a bunch.
At any rate, it may not be as bad as you think. Pechauers do not vary too much and we can usually come pretty close without the butt. I don't think you would be disappointed.

***Now, on with the disclaimer***

I do think that we might have to borrow Viking Cues Policy on the custom fitting of shafts and that is, the only way we can guarantee a perfect fit and roll of a shaft is if it is really a custom fitted shaft, and that would require the butt of a cue. The diameter is not the only concern though; there can be perfect fitting shafts that might be "faced" a little different than the butt. This will cause the butt to roll perfectly straight, and the shaft to be perfectly straight but when they are joined, the joint area might have a slight lift in the roll. It would never hurt the performance of the cue but people tend to really worry about how their cue rolls across a table.

Of course it will screw on properly, play great, but without the butt, there is just no way of knowing the exact diameter of the butt of the cue or the facing of the shaft verses the butt at the joint with out having it to fit the new shaft to. So, I guess the last word is that with out the butt, we will try our best to come close with the use of measurements (that is another thing. Are our calipers going to read exactly the same as yours???) , if not right on, but is that really close enough for you, our friend and customer? If there is any concern at all, send the butt. It kinda comes down to, if you want something good you have to pay the price. Only this time, "the price" is the most costly thing of all. Time away from "The" Cue.

OK, I am off the soapbox.... Play Ball!

Oh wait before I get down

The UNI-LOC joint is the only joint that I know that is consistently matched with the shafts. And this is only when the UNI-LOC joint is put on using the UNI-LOC joint SYSTEM.

The system involves using a precise mandrel during the construction of the butt and the shaft. This mandrel is fitted to the raw wood of the cue and then the cue is turned down to the mandrel. Each and every time a consistent diameter. The shaft is done the same way. This is why you can order a UNI-LOC shaft without the butt. As long as the shaft was made with the system as well as the butt. Now if the UNI-LOC joint was just inserted into say one of our partials without using the UNI-loc system and the mandrels, then it could be any diameter. Only the ones using the mandrels will be uniform. The mandrels are pretty expensive made out of a special material that will not get sanded down over time with a bunch of cues being sanded down to it so not everyone, especially custom cue makers like KJ has access to them.

KJ can install the UNI-LOC joint, but the neat thing is that he can just use a normal UNI-LOC butt to fit the new shaft to. This will match the diameter great, but then we are back to worrying about the facing of the shaft and butt. Who would have ever thought that joining two sticks of wood together could get so darn complicated..?

Chapter 2

Just kidding,
I am outa here,
Later,


does it mean that for example I have a Predator cue (butt and Shaft) that has a uniloc joint. I could just order another 314 shaft with uniloc joint and expect it to fit perfectly (same diameter, facing, the whole cue when joined will roll perfectly even in the joint area) ??