Predator P2 cue vs predator 5k3 vs Mezz ZZ07,08

[bhupinder]

Hello,

I am a new member of this site.I am interested to purchase a new cue.
Though i earlier i decided i will buy a predator sneaky pete but when i actually used it and 5k1 i found the feel and balance of 5k1 much better than a sp.
As i am from a snoooker background i dont know much about pool cues.

This was the first time ever i had my hands on a predator cue.i have been playing with a i dont know a chinese or a taiwanese cue.which has a very soft hit.and i dont like it at all.

has anyone played with a predator p2 and 5k3.And what is the difference in the two from a players perspective.i know everything mentioned on the website that the butt in p2 is 10 piece radial construction and 5k3 is c4.

but in actual playing has anyone felt the difference.

and also how does mezz zz08,09 stand in front of p2 and 5k3?

can someone really help me and guide me cause i want to invest my money wisely.
I am a advanced player(i will say that)but where i come from(india) hardly anyone plays pool.

thanks and good luck to everyone,

bhupinder:icon_confused::?:oops::Copy of waving:

[McChen]

the shaft is really the most important thing. if you are a snooker player, try the z2 shaft, i think you will like it a lot. i have a predator sp and used to have a p2 and i've shot with a 5k several times. all are good cues...there isn't much difference between a p2 and a 5k. the p2 is maybe a little quieter. but honestly the butt is mostly for looks...slap a z2 shaft on any old butt and it works fine for me.

[bhupinder]

Thanks Mc for your advise.
I have just ordered a p2 black,i dont know about the looks but this sounded as a good cue to me.i have mostly played with cheap cues. this the first really nice cue i am buying.i have not played with a custom cue or a predator cue.(have just had few hits with a 5k3) my budget was initially around 400 but i have ended up spending 600. this is quiet an amount to invest on a cue. so wanted it to be best possible option.
Though i have a snooker custom cue from master and also i have played with john parriss cue. But this my first nice pool cue.
Hope it is nice.
thanks,
bhupi

[McChen]

the p2 is a great cue, i'm sure you will love it!

[bhupinder]

Hi guys,
going thru various websites i found this answer posted on a forum. it probabaly explains reallly nicely about a predator cues.

all the best,

bhupi:icon_cool:


Hello,
Most people think that the ten piece splice is the reason for the reduced deflection of the predator shaft, it isn't. The real reason is a specially designed, shorter ferule, and a hollow cavity in the front of the shaft. The first few inches of the shaft is actually hollow and filled with a composite material. This is scientifically designed to reduce the cue balls deflection, and improve accuracy and control. The ten piece construction is another unrelated feature of the shaft, which adds to the consistancy of the hit. On a standard shaft if you play one shot, and rotate the cue, the cue will flex more or less on the second shot due to the direction of the woodgrain. This feature eliminates this issue and gives you 360 degrees of uniform flex.

[McChen]

yes, that is true. the mass of the end of the cue is the main factor for deflection and predator's ferrule and bored out shaft reduces this mass.

[Darrin]

Hi guys,
going thru various websites i found this answer posted on a forum. it probabaly explains reallly nicely about a predator cues.

all the best,

bhupi:icon_cool:


Hello,
Most people think that the ten piece splice is the reason for the reduced deflection of the predator shaft, it isn't. The real reason is a specially designed, shorter ferule, and a hollow cavity in the front of the shaft. The first few inches of the shaft is actually hollow and filled with a composite material. This is scientifically designed to reduce the cue balls deflection, and improve accuracy and control. The ten piece construction is another unrelated feature of the shaft, which adds to the consistancy of the hit. On a standard shaft if you play one shot, and rotate the cue, the cue will flex more or less on the second shot due to the direction of the woodgrain. This feature eliminates this issue and gives you 360 degrees of uniform flex.

Not a bad post but the shafts are not filled with anything, the last five inches are hollow. We have even taken the consistancy a step further and match triangles so that the radial consistancy is much greater than before.

[skor]

In the late 90's Predator did advertise as if the first few inches had some type of a composite materials. If it was always hollow the Predator misled their customers back then.....
I know for sure that when I was introduced to Predator and got my Predator in 1998 that's what the ads used to say.

[Darrin]

No actually we never did. I have copies of all of the original advertisements, it was just a misconception because in the posters that we did the hollow spot was colored grey and everyone assumed there was something in there. I have heard that there was a metal rod, fiberglass, aluminum shavings....all sorts of things. The shaft is capped at the top with foam but it is very thin. The purpose of it is to keep contaminates from rattling around in the hollow spot. the shafts have always been hollow.

I am attaching some pictures of the original add, sorry for the quality but the copy reads;

the engineering in the front end of a Predator 314 shaft is the result of two years intensive research and development and holds a U.S. patent. It's uniquely designed components serve two purposes; 1) to absorb and dissipate the compression generated on impact with the cue ball and 2) to allow the cue ball's weight to displace the the shaft. Important innovations make this possible. Our patented ferrule is made of a polymer formulated for its special properties of stiffness and hardness. Internally, the first five inches of the shaft has been reduced in weight by 30%. This allows the cue ball to displace the shaft and maintain tip contact with the cue ball for a longer period of time while maintaining a high degree of specific stiffness.

[skor]

You might be right since I got age affecting my memory.... I will try to find the old ads that I had, I should have them somewhere....

The bottom line is it doesn't really matter, the shaft performs great and that's what counts!

[bhupinder]

Hi Darrin,

Being hollow from inside!!! Does'nt it make the shaft weak?
I mean doesnt it reduce the life of the shaft?
Just curious:)8-)

bhupi

[skor]

I played with the same 314 shaft for almost 8 years and when I sold it (about two years ago) it was still in great condition. That cue is still being used until today.
Unless your using your cue for baseball or you sand it down too much you'll be fine.

[bhupinder]

Hi Everyone,

My p2 is here:icon_biggrin:
i am realy amazed at the pace at which it has come. I ordered it on 11/25/2007 and today the cue is in my hand in chiangmai, Thailand.

Well done Seyberts!!!!!!!

I am yet play with it...may be in a few days i will::D:D:D

[fultimebum]

I saw a predator shaft cut in half and it is hollow with about 1/8 to 1/4 of an inch (maybe less) of some type of foam right at the end before the ferule. This was an old one. I had also heard it was a composite material in the end but saw none in the one that I looked at. I also agree. Don't care how they are made. I don't produce them I just shoot with them..lol.


Let me know how you like that P2 when you shoot with it. I know I love mines. My other cues never leave the house since I got the P2.(Curly Maple)

[bhupinder]

Hi,

This is the first decent cue i have ever purchased and i really like it.
It shoots awesome. right now i have the everest tip but i will surely change it to kamui hard. there are two reasons for it.
No1 i tried moori soft tip on my previous cue and i did not like it at all.
No2 Kamui tips hold chalk much better.
So i wanna give it a try if does not go well than i will go on to moori quick.
Also u need to be careful about cheap immitations of moori tips.

All said and done p2 is a great cue.

I LOVE IT8-)

[fultimebum]

Well including you (bhupinder) everybody that I've talked to that has a P2 love them. I haven't heard of one person that did not like theirs. I guess I just got lucky because I had never heard of the P2 until I saw it on Predators Web Site and I ordered one hoping for the best. It wasn't in at the shop where I purchased it half an hour and somebody else tried to buy it... lol.. Good Luck and good shooting...:Copy of waving: