Favorite tip

[Sid]

Lou had a good question in one of the reply messages in this forum. How would you rate the best tip. Even though we done this once before in the old forum, it has been a while. Cast you vote and we will see how it stacks up to last years vote.

moori

talisman

[Kokopuffs]

TRIANGLE!

The jury is still out so I guess it's other for me.

[Lou]

I've only used LePro and Triangle, so I can't vote. Of the two, I like the Triangle tip much better. The LePro mushroomed right away, whereas the Triangle held its shape much longer. The Triangle also gives me more consistent cueball control.

[Pelayo]

:lol: I'll probably choose the morri tip.

Sumo Water Buffalo

[Lou]

To those who posted above, could you tell us why you like the tip you mentioned? That would be a big help.

I like Moori cuz it's very consistent every tips that I bought. I have 5 shafts all with Moori MH and they all play the same. I rarely miscue and the cue ball control I can get is far superior from any other tips including Talisman Pro M. Never mushroomed at least for the MH don't know about the other grades. Grabs the ball very well, you get more spin, confidence in every shots. Moori MH all the way for me. IMO it's a God send cue tip every pool player should use. BTW, my second choice would be Talisman Pro M.

My 2 cents.

[Stab]

I like Hercules.

Sumo Water Buffalo

I've only used 2 different tips Le pro and the Moori. And to probably everyone's surprise, I like the Le pro much better. I don't like the moori because it wouldn't keep it's shape. It never actually mustroomed, but I couldn't keep a dime's radius on it to save my life. I had a MH moori too, not a soft one. Anyway, I think the shape of the tip is far more important than the brand name, type of leather, etc. Dime is the best.

I've only used 2 different tips Le pro and the Moori. And to probably everyone's surprise, I like the Le pro much better. I don't like the moori because it wouldn't keep it's shape.


Hmmm. ur the only person I've heard saying this. I'v eplayed with a Moori MH and it NEVER lose it's shape. Maybe you got a fake.



It never actually mustroomed, but I couldn't keep a dime's radius on it to save my life. I had a MH moori too, not a soft one. Anyway, I think the shape of the tip is far more important than the brand name, type of leather, etc. Dime is the best.


Dime is best? Efren Reyes plays witha flat tip. Shape is all personal preferrence. BUT the brand and type of tip is important.

Le Pro's are very inconsistent. I'll take the Moori any day.

I like tip I got on my cue don,t know the name because my cue man won,t tell me . I think is a Instoke. :?

[Sid]

Your kidding... 8O I guess I really don't know what to think about that

[Mississauga Fats]

Laminated tips-Talisman[can't justify the Moori ripoff pricing].Natural tips-Triangle.And There's no way I could see anyone,much less a world class player,playing with a "flat tip".It's impossible to put any spin on the white with a flat tip.Maybe on a break cue though.

[the_saint_siwa]

Dime is best? Efren Reyes plays witha flat tip. Shape is all personal preferrence. BUT the brand and type of tip is important.
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Is that right? How do you know Efren Reyes plays with a flat tip?

I take Talisman for the best bang for the buck. Speaking of LePRO, I have one in my cue and it doesn't mushroom. It still keep the dime shape. I play and break with it though, that compressed the tip. Probably that's why it still has the dime radius. I have never to reshape my LePRO.

If MOORI isn't that expensive, I would vote MOORI as the best tip out there.

~thank's

[Lou]

I like tip I got on my cue don,t know the name because my cue man won,t tell me . I think is a Instoke. :?

He won't tell you what tip he put on your cue? And I keep thinking I've heard it all.

[the_saint_siwa]

Dime is best? Efren Reyes plays witha flat tip. Shape is all personal preferrence. BUT the brand and type of tip is important.


Is that right? How do you know Efren Reyes plays with a flat tip?

I take Talisman for the best bang for the buck. Speaking of LePRO, I have one in my cue and it doesn't mushroom. It still keep the dime shape. I play and break with it though, that compressed the tip. Probably that's why it still has the dime radius. I have never to reshape my LePRO.

If MOORI isn't that expensive, I would vote MOORI as the best tip out there.

~thank's
[/quote]

Yep! Efren plays witha flat tip! I saw it and I ask him but won't tell get into more details about why he uses it. ;)

[TiNy]

Moori Hard,nothing else comes close

I used to have a Hercules layered tip. It was great.

I put on a Sumo Water Buffalo....IT SUCKS.

I'm going to try a Moori next or a Talisman Water Buffalo.

[Oberyn Martell]

Moori 8)

I was a Moori medium fan until I tried the Tiger Sniper. The Sniper is an exceptional tip that will soon be the rage.

Stew

[sanj]

moori medium .
works realy well with the predator shaft.

[pikejl]

I like the Elk Master on the 314 shaft. I got rid of the LePro that came on it after the 3rd time I shot with it. I felt like the draw I got was inconsitent, allthough it was more likely my stroke.

The Elk Master's are very soft, but once you play get them properly shaped and burninshed, they are great after about 30 minutes of play.

For a hard tip, I like the Triangle.

I try to keep at least two different tips on my shafts, so I have something else to go to dending on table speed and ball condition.

[sanj]

the elk master gives a lot of spin,but I felt I was not as accurate with my potting.I can get almost as much spin with a moori without feeling that my potting is suffering :!:

[pikejl]

sanj,

I can see where you might feel that way about the Elk Master. It has it's downsides for me including the following: 1) The hard-draw direction can be inconsistent with all but the best strokes. 2) It definitely plays a little different on cut shots than firmer tips.

The upsides for me include: 1) Because it's soft it grips the cueball better. This has helped me with shots over rails and obstacle balls. Those shots used to always be run-killers for me. 2) For me, it's easier to control the speed on softer shots. I have a tendancy to shoot to hard if anything, so it helps. 3) The curve ball shot is easily possible with it. This is by no means a reason for anyone to use it. It's just an added bonus. That curve ball shot less makeable the more you curve it, however, when you only need to curve it an inch or so, you can't be a soft tip. I have made one of these each of my last 3 times out, and I don't try it much.

I just put a Champion on one of my shafts. It's a little hard for me the way I feel right now, but I kind of like it in some ways. I think I may try to find a med-soft type tip to suit my game. The elk master is way soft, and I don't need all the spin, so I may be able to do better.

I think I'm going to keep trying different tips, because they are the cheapest and most important part of the cue. I've got a Erueeka that I will probably try next. I will definitely have to eventually try a Talisman or Moori as well. If you can get the benefits of a firm and soft tip in a single tip.

I just started paying attention to tip types. Everytime I used to get my cue retipped, I think they just put a triangle on it. I only think this, because I got some Triangles, Elk Masters, and Eureeka's for Christmas, as well as a Predator shaft for my Meucci (gotta love that!) :D . The tips that were on my cues looked like and felt like the triangles. Since then, I've been doing them myself. I'm having fun experimenting, eventhough I don't get to play as much as I used to.

A soft tip has mainly helped me with the up-against-the-rail and over-obstacle-ball shots. My stroke has improved as well over Christmas, so I'm not sure how much is the tip. I've never lacked draw, so extra draw is not a good reason for me to use a soft tip. As I said, the only real downside I find to the elk master, is sometimes the draw will bring it off to the side when I'm not expecting it. I think it's an amplification of imperfections in my stroke.

After all this rant, I really think to each his own on the tips. I certainly couldn't play well with Tiger Woods' golf clubs; this I know. As to whether or not I could play with Eferin Reyes' tip (or any other pro's) I'm going to find out!

Peace,
Pike

[sanj]

why not then try a moori soft.this might have the best of both worlds for you :!:

[pikejl]

I think I might. I'll probably try the Talisman as well. I plan to order a new 314 soon for my McDermott. Maybe I'll just order it with the Moori.

[sonnic]

a few months ago i got a moori i think it was a soft tip because it mushroomed every 15-20 hits with it. And no i never broke with it. I couldn't stand to constantly reshape it which now has wore it down to the point where i almost have to replace it. I have owned a lepro in the past cause it came with my stick and i felt it was way to hard for my liking. I will try the Talisman pro next, Just wondering i saw that no one liked the water buffulo WHY?

[New Kid In The Hall]

I find LePro to be a tough tip to be completely confident in. I get my 314 shafts redone as soon as I get them with a Triangle (for something a bit more firm) or a Talisman Pro MH (softer than the Triangle). Really wish Predator would put something else on as the standard. LePro does not mushroom, but does not hold shape well in my experience.

[dhammis]

After a few weeks of using the new TipTec tip on my Predator shaft I have to say that I'm quite pleased with it. My deflection is down. My accuracy is up. Draw, follow and english have all improved as well. I break with it for 9-ball and it works great. I had to buy a pack of 5 of them for just under $70 total with tax, but it's worth it I think, as I won't need new tips for a long time.

I suggest trying them if you are out trying new tips.

--Damon

Oh yeah, they are made by Cuetec, so you'll have to get them from a Cuetec dealer.

[somebody]

the best tip in market it´s sniper.no one compares with it.

[Dork]

I have tried LePro, Chandivert, Triangle, Moori and Hercules. I have to say I like the Hercules the best and Moori second. The Hercules played as well as the Moori for about half the price.

TTT

[DZ314]

I use a Moori M and find that it works a lot better than the stock LePro did. It has never mushroomed on me and I break with it frequently. The control and feedback from it is great. I bought a few from Barringer when they sold supplies for $7.50 each!!

[Tanar]

I play with a Moori medium, and I like it but it is very hard to maintain.

I also liked the Balabushka Hercules Deluxe tips as they are consistent and have a great feel.

I have been installing a number Talisman Pro Domed tips on cues and the players love them as they don't mushroom and they give very good cue ball control.

I am getting in some triangle tips and Shooter 8 layer tips as well, if anyone cares, I'll post the player feedback I get from them.

I hated the LePro tip that came with my cue from the first hit.

[Kokopuffs]

I loved the Le Pro that came with my Phillippi and am now going to try the Talismao Pro medium. Feed back to come later as well. But I did get great control with the Le Pro.

[DZ314]

That is the knock on the LePros, they are very inconsistent. Some of them are a little harder and some are soft, you don't really know exactly how the LePro will feel until you install it and hit with it!

[DeanF]

I use a Moori Medium and love it

[maughanm]

Let me know how you like the Talisman Pro Koko....I have played with many tips, except Moori, and it is the best hitting tip I have used up to now. I like the Talisman Pro better than the Talisman WB....They last forever too without mushrooming.........mike

[Kokopuffs]

Mike M:

In your experience, about how long would a Talisman last if I played it around 5 hours a week without scuffing and picking? Just a rough estimate.

[maughanm]

I probably average 7 or 8 hours/week...and if Sundays are rainy....add another 5. I sent my shaft back to Seyberts to have it cut down to 12.25 and told Rick to put a tip on if it needed it....He went ahead and replaced it......I had been playing with that tip for at least 8 months...but I don't ever break with it. Like the Talisman Pro better than the WB....seems to get a little better draw......mike

[dags_lax]

Are you a finesse player or a banger? Do you break with your cue? How thin do you let your tip get before replacing it? I have been using the Talisman Pro medium on my cues for a couple of years now. I replace the tip on my shooting cue after about six months. I do scuff the tip some and I don't like sighting down the cue and seeing a thin tip. I can be kind anal about some things.

When is it time to change tips? Let me offer an analogy. Say you have six pillows on the floor and you fall on the pillows. Take one pillow away and fall on them again. It will feel different. Now keep repeating and the feel will keep changing. In the real world does the thinning of a tip make a difference? Maybe, maybe not. Because the thinning is so gradual a player will probably not notice the change in how the tip plays, if there is any change that is.

For me, after many years, I have come to the conclusion that I think I play better with a thick tip. I know of one player in the area that like his tips very thin. In fact when he puts a new tip on the first thing he does is grind about 2/3 of it off.

Players are willing to spend a couple of hundred dollars for a Predator shaft or even more for a new cue in hopes of finding what works best for their game. This is fine but don't be afraid to experiment with tips. Remember that tips are cheap, even if some one else replaces them for you.

[CJK]

Good point. I used to be rather cheap about replacing them, partly out of cost-savings and partly because I didn't have anyone to do the work locally. Now that I know someone who does it, my tips get replaced more often. in fact, the Talisman Medium that is going to be replaced this week with a Moori Medium (gotta try one sometime!) has been on the cue for somewhere around 4 months, maybe 6. I've noticed as the tip gets thinner that my ability to control the cue ball decreases. The first thing to go is the draw shot. With a thin tip, around the thickness of a dime before the radius, I'm lucky if I can draw it a foot or two. With a new tip, I can draw it the length of the table at will. That feeling is certainly worth paying $10 or $15 or more every 4-6 months.

[Kokopuffs]

Then it sounds like a Talisman would last me at least one year - unless I get real good with it.

[maughanm]

Koko, I am a finesse shooter 90 percent of the time...maybe that is why I'm so awful....just can't bang the ball around a lot and keep control. I want to try a Moori one day...but am satisfied with Talisman. That, and not breaking with it, may be why mine last so long.....mike

[Kokopuffs]

Nor do I bang the ball. And, with an ivory ferrule, I don't break with my own stick, either, unless the game is One Ball which demands breaking with a gentle stroke.

[monk]

8) I've tried alot of different tips. moori,lepro,triangle,rocky,hercules,sniper. i like the hercules the best.

[audiopro]

I have always just used whatever tip my cue comes with. Now in the past couple years of playing more seriously I have only seen a slight difference in a couple things. That is, how well the tip holds the chalk, and how long it stands up to moisture. I have found most tips (here in FL anyway) tend to get moist pretty quick and thus dont hold chalk well, needing to be picked a bit to do so. But in general if you follow Bob Byrnes advice and "Chalk your cue like a lady putting on lipstick" and do this after every shot and be careful to make sure it is done right, and you shouldn't miscue.

Now it may be that I have only used stock tips that I have seen this behviour. But my problem is this, I dont know anyone local to do tip replacements. I took it to someone once before, and got my shaft all banged up, and the ferrel sanded all to hell and no longer smooth. I was a bit pissed and decided that it was safer for me to just purchase new shafts.. ha ha, lame....

I have a few cues, and play with one at home and another at the pool hall usually. I'm not to picky with the playability of a cue. Someone once told me, never blame your bad shooting on the equipment (granted it is not beat to hell, warped, etc..) But I think a solid made 100 dollar cue, plays exactly the same for me as a 2500 dollar cue. This could be due however to my lower level of play ability. When it comes to things I am more experienced in (martial arts, audio) I can tell and see differences in the slightest of things...

Now seeing all these opinions on tips, make me want to play around a bit more with them, but still battling the problem of who to have it replaced by.

[skor]

audiopro,

most $100 cues will play like a $2500 cues,
on expensive cue, you mostly pay for the art work and the time invested in the cue. BUT a $100 butt with a predator shaft on it, will play better then any $2500 cue that has a one piece shaft.

Now I know I'm going to get some replies that will say that I'm wrong,
and yes some shaft have less defaction then others and some flex more the others, and it's realy up to how you are used to play.
but once you have two cues with the same joint type, the butt does not add anything to the way the cue plays, it all about the shaft and the tip, and the predator shafts are the ONLY shafts that have a significance difference in the way they play in comparison to other shafts

[Kokopuffs]

Mike M.

So far I've shot with the TALISMAN PRO MEDIUM for about 7 hours and love it. It gives me better, more predictable follow and draw shots than the LePro. From now on I'm a Talisman man.

On my other shaft I intend to install a TALISMAN PRO HARD tip just to feel the difference. Will let you know how it works.

-T

[Tanar]

I've installed Talisman Pro Xtra Hard tips on a couple guys break cues and they think it is almost too hard.

[Kokopuffs]

I know some players who shoot using the TALISMAN WATER BUFFALO hard tip on their regular stick.

[DZ314]

The Talisman tips sound like they are quality tips, I will have to try them out!

[RickH]

Kamui (http://www.kamui.us/info.htm), it takes the Moori tip to the next level. See my post on Kamui Tip Impressions.
Here is the URL for the site that I ordered my tip from; http://www.cuesupply.com/Tips.htm
- Rick H

[bill190]

I really like the Moori III M. It has a different surface which is sort of like a low pile carpet -vs- a leather tip which as a surface which is sort of like a shag carpet.

I choose the Moori III (instead of old Moori) because it is the newest tip and when I replace it, I want it to play the same.

I had nasty problems with other tips becoming slick after use and having to scuff or tip prick them frequently. And my tip changed it's play as it went from just scuffed to slick. This translated to inconsistant play, miscuing, and unpredictable draw shots.

The Moori retains chalk very well and always plays the same. I scuff it every few days with sandpaper just a little bit to keep its dime shape. If I used a nickel shape, I don't think I would need to do this. Anyway the consistant surface and chalk retention translates to consistant play. I can now practice my shots and how my tip responds during practice, during the first part of a tournament, and late in the evening during a tournament, is all the same.

[maughanm]

I have been a Talisman user for quite a while and am very satisfied with them....but I am taking the plunge and getting Seyberts to put a Moori on for me....am anxious to see how it plays and hits after reading so much about them....I almost hope I don't like them...seeing how the cost is out of my budget anyway.... 8) Can't wait to try it...mike

[New Kid In The Hall]

Tip can make a difference. The best tip will play soft to the feel, but still have the edge integrity to not break down when you want to use extreme english, follow, or draw.

My suggestion, another gem from Tony..., order the 15mm Triangle tips and cut them to your shaft diameter...he says in order to make a 15mm tip, they have to use the hide from the top of the back area which is the best. It requires that area because it needs to be that thick to make this tip punch out.

I'm using these on one of my Black Boar cues right now and it does everything I want and is holding its shape and holding chalk nicely.

[headache]

Dime is best? Efren Reyes plays witha flat tip. Shape is all personal preferrence. BUT the brand and type of tip is important.

Hello,
I joined this forum just to kinda set the record straight about Efren's cue tip. I have played Efren at my old haunt, "Hard Times Billiards" in Bellflower California. Not that I am on his level, but back in the day, every Sunday (throughout the nineties and before), they would have a 25 buck tournament which on any given Sunday you could find from one to as many as five U.S. Open champs in it. (You could also find Efren and whoever wanted to try him on Big Bertha, a 12'x6', playing golf.) One such tournament had Efren, Francisco, Rudolfo Luat, Jose Parica, Kieth Macready, Robin Bell (Dodson), Jennette Lee, and the Canadian Open champ Paul Potier, not to mention the "almost as good" Ernesto Domingo, Moro Paez, Bernardo "King Kong" Chavez and many more stalwart regulars of Hard Times.

But I digress. Efren uses an Elk Master tip which is not flat, though it is less rounded than a nickel, maybe like a half dollar. As for his cue, he has had many. He is very superstitious and when he loses badly with a cue, it's gone. Currently he is using a Japanese cue but I don't remember the name. It is less than 13mm, prolly 12.5-12.7, and it is sixty inches long.

I did defeat Efren in a contest once. Chess. He loves to play chess. He is also a good card player.

As for my own favorite tip, It was discontinued back in the eighties but it was the Brunswick French Crown Imperial. The closest I have found to it is the Chandivert Champion. I have a Joss-west that Bill Stroud made for me in 1980.

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[PositionPaul]

So many Predator fans here and so few votes for Everest tip? Does'nt the Z2 come with an Everest? Do you change the tips? Why would they select that tip as the standard?

BTW I'm new to the game and learning as I go. I am trying to select a cue without having to re-finance the house. I recently acquired a table and purchased a starter kit with 4 cues of various weights. It is hard to buy a cue online without holding it in your hand. I live in upstate NY (near Saratoga Springs) The only cues you can find in stores around here are a limited amount of McD's, Scorpions, Lucasi Hybrids, and a ton of Cutecs.

Does the tip make a difference to a newbie? Thanks in advace for any input. Paul

[skor]

I'm a Predator fan and yes I change the standard tip.
I like to play with hard tips.
The Everest is OK but I find it very dull after a few sessions so I usually keep it for a session or two and then replace it.

The Everest tip was a major jump from the LePro that used to come standard on Predator shafts. We had a big discussion on this way back with Neil who used to be the Predator rep. on this forum. You can look it up if you want.

Predator also offer a Moori (medium) tip as an upgrade option.

[skor]

Does the tip make a difference to a newbie? Thanks in advace for any input. Paul

The tip is the most important part of the cue, following by the shaft glued to it....
So yes the tip makes a difference, even to a newbie.
I would suggest that you try the Kamui Black Medium or the Kamui II Medium-Soft.

[PositionPaul]

Thanks for the helpful answers. I crrently have a basic Mc Dermott cue with a Triangle tip. I think it is very hard and I have difficulty with putting backspin on the cue ball. From what I have read a softer tip might help my game. Thanks again.

[headache]

Yes, the tip of a cue is analogous to the speakers on a stereo system. You can have all the electronics from Best Buy, but if your speakers are crap, you'll have a bad experience.

I don't know how experienced you are, but when you judge a tip by the amount of draw you can put on the cue ball, I have to ask: "Do you really know how much draw (or any other spin) is the result of your cue tip, as opposed to the draw resultant from your stroke?". You are going to have to hit a lot of tips in order to find what your maximum potential is. Do you see what I mean? Don't expect to "know" when you have found the "right tip". Keep a notebook of your experiences with every tip you use, i.e. How soft it feels, what is your maximum draw with it, etc. It is good that you have a table so that your testing is always on the same surface.

I have been playing for 57 years and I have found the "right tip" about five different times! As you play throughout your life, your stroke will naturally change. You have to be honest with yourself when the changes start. I have tried to play with equipment that I used when I had the great stroke but lost some of it, and it just leads to frustration and disappointment when your stroke no longer matches your tools.

As far as where to get the tips, I know what you mean. I prefer two kinds of Chandivert tips, but I have been told that Chandivert either no longer makes them, or, as some have said, is no longer in business and the Chandiverts on the market now are leftovers from when they still were making tips, thus are older and more dried up. The only big source of available products seems to be this internet, and I am so leery of putting my credit card out there to be targeted by every evil creep on this globe.

Good luck and I hope your experiences with this incredible game are fulfilling and exciting as sex...well, that may be asking a bit much; however, there were lady friends I've known who believed that pool was number one for me. :icon_cool:

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