flexible stick ?

[jad9594]

i just get a new pool stick - lucasi. people told me that a better pool stick help to play the game. but after i try to use the new stick that i bought, i lost my control. i feel that the stick is very flexible after i try to use the house stick. (maybe i havent used to the poolstick yet)

is the flexible pool stick better? why? :roll: and are all other stick - predator , viking ,schon.... also very flexible?? :?

help me pls... i really sick about what happend to my new pool stick!!!

thank you and have a nice day. :wink:

[Oberyn Martell]

actually schon and predator are very stiff giving less deflection.

[jad9594]

deflection?? what is that mean??? :?

[Oberyn Martell]

When you strike the cue ball it doesnt go exactly where you hit it, there is an amount of the aforementioned deflection proportional to the stiffness of the shaft or if the shaft has other modifying factors such as the 314 shaft.

You forgot to mention that deflection is a result of applying english. If you hit a ball on its vertical axis, it will go where you want it to.

[jad9594]

hello thank you
so i just need to hit the ball in the center, and dont apply english? the ball will go stright? oh i need to work on the stick - get more control of it. is funny why should i spend more money to buy a pool stick that so hard to use :oops: or my skill is not good enough to use the stick :cry:.

[Sid]

Just stick with it and it will come around. to learn a little more about deflection, check out this page
http://seyberts.com/predator/tech1.htm

Check out the Predator Cues & Shafts section of this discussion forum and follow the thead under thick shaft verses thin shaft. There is a very good post explaining deflection and english.

[dags_lax]

Oberyn has it all wrong. Cue ball deflection has nothing to do with the stiffness of the shaft. If a stiffer shaft resulted in reduced deflection everyone would be playing with 15mm shaft with no taper. Deflection is dependent only on the effective mass at the tip! It's not rocket science, just high school physics.

dags_lax,

I do not want to argue you point but if the stiffness of the shaft has nothing to do with it then Predator is making a killing off of us suckers.



jad9594,

Stick with it you just need to learn how the cue works. I have a lucasi and the shaft is not that whippie. Have you hit a Meucci? Thats like hitting with a dow rod by fishing pole is not that flexable. That does not make the Meucci a better or worse product just different. To each his own. Myself after playing with the stock Lucasi shaft for about a yr I bought a Predator, again just my preferance. Do what you want with this advise but trust your cue and trust you.


dday

[dags_lax]

Predator's manufactures their shafts with a lower effective mass at the tip. That is how they reduce deflection. I would imagine that if a stiffer shaft resulted in less deflection then Predator would be making their shafts 13 mm or 13.25 mm like most other manufacturers. In an effort to prove my point here is a quote from this forum by Neil Fujiwara, the Predator rep: "The shaft will actually perform better the smaller it gets. But with our shaft, wall thickness becomes an issue, that is why we cannot warranty a shaft that is below 12.25mm diameter".

Predator's "pie slice" shaft construction gives their shafts radial consistency. What this means to the shooter is, that on any given shot (with the same firmness and same contact point on the cue ball), you can rotate the cue and get the same feel and english.

Perhaps Neil could address this issue for us. If I am wrong I would like hear it from the "horses mouth".

dags_lax,

I agree we need to seek help from Neil on this. The guy I play pool with and I disgussed this very subject and he agreed with you. So maybe Im wrong if so thats fine it won't be the first time. But just incase lets here from Neil.

dday

I have both Lucasi special edition and both of them the shaft are very stiff . it almost like some house cue with dark wood. well by the way . stiff wood are bad? flex wood are good grade?

[maughanm]

If you can find a copy of the Summer 2002 issue of The American Pool Player, there is a great article by "The Blud" on dark and light woods. He should know, he has made thousands of cues. It gives the advantages and disadvantages of light and dark woods. 8)

there is nothing wrong with a flexible shaft... in my opinion... flexible shaft vs. stiff shaft... its a preference... if the stiffest shaft was the best/had the lowest deflection we'd all be shooting with metal.....

I'm considering buying a Lucasi cue. As for Meucci, I hate it. Feel is with the shooter. Some like flex, some like stiffer. I've played with a predator and I don't like the predator shaft because I lose feel. I don't like meucci because on 9ft tables, too much right or left and you can really move the cue ball too much, but once again it's the shooters preference. Alot of great players use to play Meucci and now you see many of them going elsewhere. Archer shoots with a less than 200 dollar cue and corey DUel plays with a relatively inexpensive cue too. Good luck to all. Basically, a really good player can adjust. And that 800 dollar meucci doesn't play any better than 200 dollar one. Expense is in the detail, not better productivity.

Predator's manufactures their shafts with a lower effective mass at the tip. That is how they reduce deflection. I would imagine that if a stiffer shaft resulted in less deflection then Predator would be making their shafts 13 mm or 13.25 mm like most other manufacturers. In an effort to prove my point here is a quote from this forum by Neil Fujiwara, the Predator rep: "The shaft will actually perform better the smaller it gets. But with our shaft, wall thickness becomes an issue, that is why we cannot warranty a shaft that is below 12.25mm diameter".

Predator's "pie slice" shaft construction gives their shafts radial consistency. What this means to the shooter is, that on any given shot (with the same firmness and same contact point on the cue ball), you can rotate the cue and get the same feel and english.

Perhaps Neil could address this issue for us. If I am wrong I would like hear it from the "horses mouth".


has anyone ever tried a Nova...it will put a predator to shame..its the purest hit...but try to find one first.it will be worth the search!!!!

[dags_lax]

I to am a big fan of the Nova cue. I purchased as a Christmas present for my son about four years ago. That is one of the most foolish things I have done. I should have kept it for my self. It is the base model, I believe retail was $250.00 (I pd $200.00). It plays noticeably better than my Schons and Peachauer Jacksons, Jacoby and Predator, all of which I spent considerably more money on! I've used cues from many manufactures and the Nova cue is one of three cues that I feel play noticeably different the rest, the other two being Cognoscenti and Chester Krick.

Unfortunately Nubs Wagnoer isn't making the Novas any more so If you want one you have to do some searching. And good luck trying to find a second shaft.