X Breaker

Anyone tried the X Breaker here?

www.xtremebilliard.com

Is Seyberts gonna to carry it?

[skor]

Looks like an interesting cue, I wouldn't mind to try it out...

It looks like jump/break cues with extra technology is the new hype these days and everyone is trying to cash on it.
I think that with some practice anyone can produce one hell of a break with a $20 house cue with a soft tip.....

[Buckeye]

Soft tip? Goes against what I would expect in a break/jump cue?

[nathar]

I think that is his point. Anyone with a good stroke and good knowledge of how the balls react out of the rack should be able to consistently pocket balls on the break. Just look at Corey Duels. His break is everything but conventional, and he almost always pockets the same balls every time he breaks. Not that that's an easy standard to achieve. But I would imagine that it's a repeatable feat.

[skor]

Soft tip? Goes against what I would expect in a break/jump cue?

most house cues have soft or medium tips and I can get a really good break with those cues.
I think that one of the problem with getting a good break with a $300 and up cue is that most amateur are afraid to damage the cue and they hold back on the break, which is understandable, they are not pros that get free cues....

I was talking about breaking, not jumping...

[Buckeye]

See, I have the opposite problem. If I grab a house cue and try to break it's a sad sight. The minute I grab something with even a little quality I see an immediate increase in my break performance. I haven't gotten too experimental with tips though. (sorry about the previous post, Buckeye had a few last night) :)

I have the Stinger sneaky b/j on the way so I’m excited to try their "patented tip technology". My other new toy is a Giuseppe 3x6 case. I'm eagerly awaiting the FedEx guy on Monday!

[mechmat]

Last week at league I found a 16oz Dynamo house cue and used it to break. The tip was almost flat it was so old, and holy crapola did that thing break well. The cue ball popped 2 feet off the table every time and I pocketed 4 balls twice. I usually break pretty well anyway but this was particularly exceptional. I almost asked the bartender if I could buy it for $20.

[LWW]

Real light cues are difficult to find.

The only source I know of short of a custom is Schmelke, and I've thought of ordering a Schmelke with a Triangle tip in a 16 oz weight...not much over a $100 either.

LWW

I do not know what is the lightest they come in, but I really want to give it a try. Anyone know anything about the X Breaker from www.xtremebilliard.com, please help me out.
Thanx. :D

[ra[g]e]

I've touched it with my hands, but didn't actually get to break with it. It uses a plastic tip (not phenolic tho), breaks pretty well from what I've seen. It holds chalk very well for a plastic tip, and you can do full-cue jumps with ease. Loads of pros have picked it up, I guess its the new gimmick.

I would say get it, only if you've either too much cash lying around (its extremely pricey, most expensive specialized production cue I have seen to date), or if you're a serious competitor, whereby alittle more control or power makes alot of difference.

I believe with the correct breaking stroke, any house cue with a crap tip would get you balls in on the break as well as good dispersal.

[showboat]

I break with a 22 year old sneaky pete that I put a phenolic tip on, I break just great with it using a medium/hard speed...

When you break real hard, can you keep the rock on the table?
The X Breaker is supposed to be the only cue that can.
Larry Nevel is using it now.
So I am really curious.

[nathar]

When you break real hard, can you keep the rock on the table?
The X Breaker is supposed to be the only cue that can.
Larry Nevel is using it now.
So I am really curious.

I would think that your ability to keep "the rock" on the table would rely more on your stroke and how you address the cb rather than the cue that you use. I think that when the cb jumps off the table on the break is when the cb is already airborn when it hits the rack, or when you have applied a ton of top spin.
Skor can probably give us a better idea of why this happens.

[skor]

the CB jumps off the table when you don't hit the 1ball dead center!!!
when you cut it, the CB moves on the tangent line, so if the CB is jumped on the break (like you want it to) then it will jump along the tangent line and off the table, if you hit the 1ball dead center then there is no tangent and the cue ball will jump up and land in the center of the table.


When you break real hard, can you keep the rock on the table?
The X Breaker is supposed to be the only cue that can


I'll bet you that it is possible to get a center hit with any cue and with any tip and with any power, it has been done for years!!!! with regular cues and regular tips, just watch francisco bustamante....

[nathar]

Thanks skor. I thought I was leaning in the right direction. But I knew there was something lacking in my explanation. Just couldn't put my finger on it. I never thought about the tangent line when applied to a jumping ball. I'll have to put some thought into that. It's an interesting concept. Would there be any practical applications for that or is it just a good thing to remember when jumping a ball. As I'm sure that would apply to any situation that the cb leaves the table and makes contact with another ball and not just on the break. 8)

[skor]

in the split of a second after the CB hits the OB, the CB will always!!!! travel on the tangent line, for how long? depends on other forces such as spin.
when a jumped CB hit an OB at an angle, it'll bounce of the OB at the angle of the tangent line, but will change it's path because of the forward momentum and spin (if applyed)
The "practical application" to that knowledge is that you can understand what will happen when you jump a ball and hit an OB with an angle, it handy if you can tell where the cue ball will rest after a jump shot, just like any other shot.

cutting the 1ball on the break is not a good idea - that is what everyone will tell you and this is usualy right BUT not all the time, if you are going to break hard and you're going to jump the cue ball then you should go for a center hit, but what about softer breaks???? Efren Reyes who doesn't have a big break uses a "cut break" where he cuts the 1ball, if this shot is done right, with the right speed and angle and without jumping the CB then you can pocket a ball, usualy the 1ball in the side, the spread is ok and the CB goes 3 rails and come back to the center of the table

[spartan]

The only time the 1 ball should be cut on the break is when you bring the cueball to the siderail and out to the center of the table. This is known as the cutbreak. When using the cutbreak never break hard or your CB will go off the table. If you can see Corey play 9 ball he pretty much perfected the cutbreak.

[LWW]

What's amazing is I've tried to make the ball fly off the table and never have done it???

LWW

[Black_Cat_5791]

I wasn't impressed with the X-Breakers overall feel, or construction. And, that lead me to not even wanting to try a Break. Still waiting for the BK2 8)

[showboat]

Exactly, nobody can claim that a cue alone can keep the cueball on the table....

[dags_lax]

Topspin has nothing to do with the cue ball jumping of the table. That impression probably comes from the fact that hitting the cue ball above center with a slightly elevated cue will put more air under the cue ball and the bed of the table increasing the likelihood of the cue ball leaving the table. Think about it this way, if topspin makes the cue ball leave the table then draw would cause the ball it hits to leave the table.

When the butt of the cue is raised, even slightly, the cue ball will leave the bed of the table. Perhaps only very slightly but it does leave the bed of the table. And with the force involved in a break the cue ball may only be slightly of the table for just a moment but in that moment it can travel the distance to the rack.

The cue ball jumps off the table because it hits the ball(s) in the rack above center. Or: The cue ball was airborne but strikes the rack and the table (nearly) simultaneously. This is what happens when the cue ball pops straight up, if you hit the rack solid. In the first instance the rack is acting like a ramp and the more the cue ball is airborne or the further off a dead on hit the greater the likelihood that you will be chasing the cue ball down the hall.

It's amazing what can be missed even when it's in plain sight.

I'm a pretty strong guy and the break shot has been something that even as a beginner I could do pretty well and get a good spread.

I've watched totally unskilled players send the CB flying and wondered how a guy out of shape a 50 lbs lighter could hit the ball THAT hard.

I know sending it off table is never good but I constantly suspected that I had a serious flaw in my break stroke when I couldn't hit it hard enough to cause the same result, assuming it was all in the power of the stroke.

I have always equated a pool stroke to a baseball, or golf swing...which is a baseball swing except in a different plane, in that a flat swing through the contact point was the correct hit. That's probably helped me as a beginner.

Then I watched Mike Sigel, shorter-lighter-out of shape-and 874 years old, slam the rack and pop the ball straight up in the air and I knew I was missing something but didn't know what.

In any event I went in the basement and tried an elevated cue with a bit of top at about 1/4 strength and sent the CD into a lamp in the next room.

Anyway the mystery is solved, I had never noticed that people were doing it by being jacked up, and I have a new way to work on my break.

LWW

It's amazing what can be missed even when it's in plain sight.

I'm a pretty strong guy and the break shot has been something that even as a beginner I could do pretty well and get a good spread.

I've watched totally unskilled players send the CB flying and wondered how a guy out of shape a 50 lbs lighter could hit the ball THAT hard.

I know sending it off table is never good but I constantly suspected that I had a serious flaw in my break stroke when I couldn't hit it hard enough to cause the same result, assuming it was all in the power of the stroke.

I have always equated a pool stroke to a baseball, or golf swing...which is a baseball swing except in a different plane, in that a flat swing through the contact point was the correct hit. That's probably helped me as a beginner.

Then I watched Mike Sigel, shorter-lighter-out of shape-and 874 years old, slam the rack and pop the ball straight up in the air and I knew I was missing something but didn't know what.

In any event I went in the basement and tried an elevated cue with a bit of top at about 1/4 strength and sent the CD into a lamp in the next room.

Anyway the mystery is solved, I had never noticed that people were doing it by being jacked up, and I have a new way to work on my break.

LWW

[showboat]

But sending the CB into the next room isn't a sign that you're hitting the rack hard....An earsplitting sound is, spreading the rack and actually pocketing some balls is more important than hitting it hard....IMO

[LWW]

I know that, I was exagerrating the downward hit and using heavy top english not thinking it would fly that easy.

Tried again this AM with the cue jacked up a little and low english and 1st time I popped the CB straight up in the air and back down center table, 9 in the top left corner.

LWW

Exactly, nobody can claim that a cue alone can keep the cueball on the table....

I was thinking about the same thing, but there are some very good feedback on the X Breaker at the forum in azbilliard.com.

May be the X breaker is the first and only one who has figured out a way to keep the cue ball on the table? Is it possible?

I mean, when predator first came out with the 314, everyone was saying they didn't make any sense, right?

I want to try it, but then I am not sure...

[twilight]

I've been breaking and jumping with the X breaker for about 2 weeks now. I have a post on AZ forum that is long about what I went through for the first few days. I'll try and sum it up here. First let me say I stoped playing pool for years and just got back in november. I have always had a good break and a crappy jump. The jumping aspect of it is like nothing I've ever jumped with. I've MADE more jump shots (not just clear and hit) in the last 2 weeks than all the years combined before my hiatus. Jumping is a breeze and I attempt jumps that people laugh at but are surprised when I make them. It has superior control over phenolic tipped jump cues and this is coming from a guy who couldn't jump at all in the past.

The breaking aspect was hard for me to get used to. I had to change my bridge and grip to accomodate the parabolic taper. The tip holds chalk like mad and I kept spinning the ball too much at first. After a few days, I was ready to give up on it and soley use it as a jumper. Last time I played, I got it down. I can hit the head ball and park the CB in the center of the table consistently (for me at least). Unlike phenolic, I can wail into the cueball and still have control without miscues. One of my problems early was that it was a new cue and I babied it. After some time I put everything into my breaks and unfortunately put a tiny scratch in the butt. No big deal, now that it's not pristine, I never hold back on the break.

This is a great B/J but to be fair here are the cons. The x breaker on the b/j joint doesn't line up as well as it should after much play. The silver rings are kinda raised more than they should be. The parabolic taper starts about 4 inches past the tip, I think it should start sooner because if you stroke close to the tip you will notice how dramatic and uncomfortable the taper is. Still, it is the best jumper I've ever used and slightly a better breaker than the others on the market.

Best thing is that it requires no maintenance; no picking, shaping, etc. Other than a cloth to wipe it down when you're done, you don't have to ever do a thing to it... ever. But truely, the best thing is that it holds chalk like crazy.

I've been breaking and jumping with the X breaker for about 2 weeks now. I have a post on AZ forum that is long about what I went through for the first few days. I'll try and sum it up here. First let me say I stoped playing pool for years and just got back in november. I have always had a good break and a crappy jump. The jumping aspect of it is like nothing I've ever jumped with. I've MADE more jump shots (not just clear and hit) in the last 2 weeks than all the years combined before my hiatus. Jumping is a breeze and I attempt jumps that people laugh at but are surprised when I make them. It has superior control over phenolic tipped jump cues and this is coming from a guy who couldn't jump at all in the past.

The breaking aspect was hard for me to get used to. I had to change my bridge and grip to accomodate the parabolic taper. The tip holds chalk like mad and I kept spinning the ball too much at first. After a few days, I was ready to give up on it and soley use it as a jumper. Last time I played, I got it down. I can hit the head ball and park the CB in the center of the table consistently (for me at least). Unlike phenolic, I can wail into the cueball and still have control without miscues. One of my problems early was that it was a new cue and I babied it. After some time I put everything into my breaks and unfortunately put a tiny scratch in the butt. No big deal, now that it's not pristine, I never hold back on the break.

This is a great B/J but to be fair here are the cons. The x breaker on the b/j joint doesn't line up as well as it should after much play. The silver rings are kinda raised more than they should be. The parabolic taper starts about 4 inches past the tip, I think it should start sooner because if you stroke close to the tip you will notice how dramatic and uncomfortable the taper is. Still, it is the best jumper I've ever used and slightly a better breaker than the others on the market.

Best thing is that it requires no maintenance; no picking, shaping, etc. Other than a cloth to wipe it down when you're done, you don't have to ever do a thing to it... ever. But truely, the best thing is that it holds chalk like crazy.

Wow, so it is true that the tip is real hard but also can hold chalk well?

I read on www.xtremebilliard.com the tip is much harder than phenolic, I didn't believe that. I mean phenolic is hard! Do you think it is really that much harder?

I wanna know if it is true that the cue ball does not jump as easily during the break?

My stinger is powerful but if I break too hard my ball flies off the table.

The metal rings on my Schon are raised, too. I don't really care about that. Geesh, I had a BK and the finish was so poor but still cost me $300!

I emailed them and they replied so fast it was crazy. But they are sold out and there is a long waiting list. :?

Thanx a lot. :wink:

I've been breaking and jumping with the X breaker for about 2 weeks now. I have a post on AZ forum that is long about what I went through for the first few days. I'll try and sum it up here. First let me say I stoped playing pool for years and just got back in november. I have always had a good break and a crappy jump. The jumping aspect of it is like nothing I've ever jumped with. I've MADE more jump shots (not just clear and hit) in the last 2 weeks than all the years combined before my hiatus. Jumping is a breeze and I attempt jumps that people laugh at but are surprised when I make them. It has superior control over phenolic tipped jump cues and this is coming from a guy who couldn't jump at all in the past.

The breaking aspect was hard for me to get used to. I had to change my bridge and grip to accomodate the parabolic taper. The tip holds chalk like mad and I kept spinning the ball too much at first. After a few days, I was ready to give up on it and soley use it as a jumper. Last time I played, I got it down. I can hit the head ball and park the CB in the center of the table consistently (for me at least). Unlike phenolic, I can wail into the cueball and still have control without miscues. One of my problems early was that it was a new cue and I babied it. After some time I put everything into my breaks and unfortunately put a tiny scratch in the butt. No big deal, now that it's not pristine, I never hold back on the break.

This is a great B/J but to be fair here are the cons. The x breaker on the b/j joint doesn't line up as well as it should after much play. The silver rings are kinda raised more than they should be. The parabolic taper starts about 4 inches past the tip, I think it should start sooner because if you stroke close to the tip you will notice how dramatic and uncomfortable the taper is. Still, it is the best jumper I've ever used and slightly a better breaker than the others on the market.

Best thing is that it requires no maintenance; no picking, shaping, etc. Other than a cloth to wipe it down when you're done, you don't have to ever do a thing to it... ever. But truely, the best thing is that it holds chalk like crazy.

Wow, so it is true that the tip is real hard but also can hold chalk well?

I read on www.xtremebilliard.com the tip is much harder than phenolic, I didn't believe that. I mean phenolic is hard! Do you think it is really that much harder?

I wanna know if it is true that the cue ball does not jump as easily during the break?

My stinger is powerful but if I break too hard my ball flies off the table.

The metal rings on my Schon are raised, too. I don't really care about that.

Geesh, I had a BK and the finish was so poor but still cost me $300! Want to try the new BK2 , too. Which one is better?

I emailed them and they replied so fast it was crazy. But they are sold out and there is a long waiting list. :?

Thanx a lot. :wink:

[ra[g]e]

Yes, it can hold chalk very well.. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Its tip is a hard sort of plastic, it has a different sound compared to phenolic, but its definitely not any softer..

Yes it holds chalk amazingly and it does not need to be scuffed. It bonds electorstatically, and if you look closely it doesn't really coat like it does a leather tip where it gets into the fibers. Instead, it's like writting on the chalkboard and going over the same spot over and over to the point you have a nice caked on layer.

Is it harder? Well, i have no means to test it, but it sure isn't softer.

Does it prevent the ball from flying off the table? I haven't made it fly off the table yet, but then again, I rarely do. Plus I think that is more of a function of an un level cue more than anything. If it's slighly airborne when you break it's going to pop up. If it's off center, it's going to fly off the table too. If you hit anywhere off center, you'll see the english due to the fact that it holds a good amount of chalk. Another cause of cue ball flying is that many people hit the one ball into the spot creating a divot. This makes the head ball slighly lower which will cause the cue ball to jump as well.

[twilight]

That was my post above, forgot to log in. Also, though I can't tell if it's harder, it jumps amazingly and I'm getting more action from the break so maybe. Best thing about the jumps is the control and ease, I can even do 1.5 ball diameter jumps using a pendulum (not dart) stroke and clear the obstructing ball; and I'm 5'7"

[French Billiards]

Not to dismiss any comment on why the CB would fly off the table but I wonder if another explanation could also be that the balls were not tight
enough when racked :?: :?: :?:

I was often told that when the lead ball does not touch the other 2 behind,
it is almost sure the CB will go off the table :!: :!: :!:

What do you think :?:

[skor]

why don't you test this and let us know

[dags_lax]

I was often told that when the lead ball does not touch the other 2 behind,
it is almost sure the CB will go off the table

What do you think

What difference does it make if the head ball is, or isn't, frozen to the two balls behind it? THINK THIS TRHOUGH!!! If that were the case then the CB would be flying off the table on nearly frozen combination shots as well.

The use of just a little bit of thinking things through and some logic will dispel a lot of pool myths.

[French Billiards]

why don't you test this and let us know

Well I did test this today. The CB jumped off the table 4 out of 10 breaks
when the head ball was 1 or 2 millimeters from the two balls behind it. If this defies logic, then it must be that I have a lousy break...

[nathar]

why don't you test this and let us know

Well I did test this today. The CB jumped off the table 4 out of 10 breaks
when the head ball was 1 or 2 millimeters from the two balls behind it. If this defies logic, then it must be that I have a lousy break...


As a control for this little experiment you should see how often the cb comes off the table when the balls are frozen in the rack. Break along the same line and at the same speed ect. That should give you an indication of wether it's your break or if your theory is correct.

In pondering this it doesn't seem to likely that a non frozen rack would cause the cb to come off the table, unless the head ball being positioned a little further forward caused a less than square hit. And if the cb was still slightly airborn then it's tangent line would carry it off of the table. Which in that case would still be a matter of where you have aimed the cb more so than a result of the rack not being frozen.

[skor]

The reason for the cue ball to jump of the table is that the CB does not hit the first ball dead center but cut it, and if the CB jumps at the break, like it usualy does when you break from the rail then when it cuts the first ball in the rack it will jump along the tangent line of the table.
If the CB does not jump at the break like wen you break from the center or you use a soft break then when it cuts the first ball in the rack it will travel along the tangent line and hit the side rail instead of flying of the table.
It has nothing to do with the balls being frozen or not!!!

[nathar]

Isn't that basically what I said? What I was implying was that if the first ball was moved out from the rack, say a mm or 2, and you were aiming as if it were frozen then that mm or so would cause you to not hit the first ball dead in the face therefore causing you to cut the ball and the resulting tangent line taking the cb off the table. In other words a matter of his setup without changing his point of aim to compensate for the first ball being in a slightly different position.

I wasn't disagreeing with you only trying to elaborate on the point you made earlier, which after a couple of table sessions of study made really good sense! 8)

[skor]

What I was implying was that if the first ball was moved out from the rack, say a mm or 2, and you were aiming as if it were frozen then that mm or so would cause you to not hit the first ball dead in the face....

Are you shooting blind?
do you aim at the ball or do you aim at where the ball is supposed to be?
sorry I can not agree with this statment.
The two main reason for not hitting the first ball in the rack dead center (when you aim at it) are:
1. Your arm does not move straight on the break and you miss the point of contact on the cue ball.
2. You apply side spin to the break shot

[nathar]

What I was implying was that if the first ball was moved out from the rack, say a mm or 2, and you were aiming as if it were frozen then that mm or so would cause you to not hit the first ball dead in the face....

Are you shooting blind?
do you aim at the ball or do you aim at where the ball is supposed to be?
sorry I can not agree with this statment.
The two main reason for not hitting the first ball in the rack dead center (when you aim at it) are:
1. Your arm does not move straight on the break and you miss the point of contact on the cue ball.
2. You apply side spin to the break shot

I was just trying to come up with a reason why French Billiards may have had the results he did. When I aim at the rack I do indeed aim at the head ball. And I generally have a pretty good break. Only once or twice have I ever launched the cb off of the table on a break until I started trying to do it intentionally to understand what you had said on the first page of this thread, with the tangent line and all. Which was very informative and increased my limited understanding of the pool table.

I promise I am not trying to be argumentative here. As I stated above
In pondering this it doesn't seem to likely that a non frozen rack would cause the cb to come off the table

The rest was just speculation (good or bad) as to why he may have had the particular results that he had. Not that that is how I shoot or approach the break. My reasons for said speculation is that his theory of a non frozen rack doesn't make sense to me. Anyway I appologize if I got it wrong. :wink:

[French Billiards]

Well, thank you all for your views.

Obviously, I have to work on my break.

I bought me a X breaker and I could honestly say it's a pretty decent breaking cue. But than again, I believe anybody with some muscles could get a great break and maintain the cue ball on the table with any cue with decent hard tip. As far as being a great jumping cue, it's questionable. In my opinion, it's just way too light. And yes, I seem all of their videos and that's what got me buying. But than again, that's all part of marketing and business.

[skor]

light jump cue = good !!!!



I believe anybody with some muscles could get a great break

the break shot needs a good technic NOT muscles!!!

with the phenolic tips you don't need to break hard at all (and I like to break hard .... )

light jump cue = good !!!!



I believe anybody with some muscles could get a great break

the break shot needs a good technic NOT muscles!!!

with the phenolic tips you don't need to break hard at all (and I like to break hard .... )

Prepare to loose!!

[dags_lax]

the break shot needs a good technic NOT muscles!!!

As does any (every) shot. Pool is a game of moving objects that weigh only a few ounces around the table. How many muscle bound iron pumping freaks do you see playing pool on ESPN?

I tried a friends x-breaker for a week. I ordered one yesterday, will be here in a week!

For me its not that I completely indorse this break cue and no other. But i have always been hendered by the break most of my life as i feel i run out as good as most. The break in itself is something i have rarely practiced hence is probably why its the weakest part of my game, allthough i also feel that if you think it helps you then all the better i.e. confidence! This break cue has sincerely boosted my break i feel and my confidence which is priceless in this game.

I will say this though..... the x-breaker gives me uncanny control over the CB. I find myself after the break looking at the one ball 90% of the time whether i make a ball or not! This in my mind is the ultimate goal on the break other then pocketing a ball wouldnt you say?


pool lover from VA. USA

[DEATHTRON]

:x

Zach

[nathar]

I will say this though..... the x-breaker gives me uncanny control over the CB. I find myself after the break looking at the one ball 90% of the time whether i make a ball or not! This in my mind is the ultimate goal on the break other then pocketing a ball wouldnt you say?


pool lover from VA. USA

No, I wouldn't say. If you fail to pocket a ball and leave an open shot at the one, then congrats. You've just given your opponent the chance to run out. :twisted:

[mechmat]

Yeah, making a ball and not getting a shot on the one is a much better outcome than making no balls and leaving a shot on the one for your opponent.

[dags_lax]

This X Breaker pimp is starting to get to be a pain. The next time I see a post from him I think I will go out to five different sites and post comments to the effect that the X Breaker is a piece of shit.

[nathar]

Why wait? :twisted:

[showboat]

LOLz...

[dags_lax]

One week and no more posts from the guy pimping the X Breaker. My threat seems to have worked.

[nathar]

I have always found antagonization to be a great deterent. :twisted:

[kylel]

[Enter sarcastic tone for the following]
But the X-breaker is the best, my friend bought one and let me try it and I can pocket 7 balls on the break, every time!!!! It is the most amazing break cue!!! I ordered 3 the other day, one for at home and two for when I play in league 8 nights a week (just in case someone else wants to use it) and they should be here in 5 months!!!! Those guys are so quick with delivery!!!
Also the X-breaker gives me "uncanny control over the CB"!!!!
Everyone here should buy one!!!!!!
[End with sarcastic tone]

Kyle

[audiopro]

lol, well done kylel....

[French Billiards]

[Enter sarcastic tone for the following]
when I play in league 8 nights a week!
[End with sarcastic tone]

Kyle

Well now let's sing along :arrow:


The Beatles

Eight Days a Week
Writers: Lennon, McCartney; lead vocal: Lennon


Ooh I need your love babe,
Guess you know it's true.
Hope you need my love babe,
Just like I need you.
Hold me, love me, hold me, love me.
Ain't got nothin'but love babe,
Eight days a week.

Love you ev'ry day girl,
Always on my mind.
One thing I can say girl,
Love you all the time.
Hold me, love me, hold me, love me.
Ain't got nothin'but love babe,
Eight days a week.

Eight days a week
I love you.
Eight days a week
Is not enough to show I care.

Ooh I need your love babe, ...

Eight days a week ...

Love you ev'ry ...

Eight days a week. Eight days a week. Eight days a week.

:wink: :wink: :wink:

nathar? where in NC... cause you think youyr a good player then get your sarcastic biatch ass up to Lynchburg , Va. and see how my new break stick is is coming along.... and you can also see that i most certainly do not sell the freaking things ... i was simply trying to post my 2 cents about the original question... but since all of you seem to be wearing preditor blinders on cause one of the makers or owners posts here then so be it....other then that since all of you seem to be totally and completely brainless as maybe ummm lets see ... CANT READ! Ill bring to your attention that my previous post says this....


Anonymous wrote:


I will say this though..... the x-breaker gives me uncanny control over the CB. I find myself after the break looking at the one ball 90% of the time whether i make a ball or not! This in my mind is the ultimate goal on the break other then pocketing a ball wouldnt you say?


pool lover from VA. USA


I have to say that if you actually could read that i actually did say the most important thing on the break IS pocketing a ball... what a bunch of morons! And your making fun of me?

nathar again pool god that you are... come to Lynchburg and play and put up or shut up.... my name is ...

Greg Taylor
Freindly Cue Billiards
Timberlake Rd. Lynchburg, Va.

[kylel]

^~~take some midol, and call us in the morning

well said. i have a bk2 but there is no reason why anyone here should lambaste another simply for posting on this site. seems only like 6 here post anything at all and its just a little club which , if you do not play preditor then get the F*** out. i wont be returning to here because of this.
by the way lynchburg? are you the same greg i met in vegas at the valley tourny? anyways my opinion on the matter!

M. lawson
Pennsylvania

[audiopro]

Funny, I do not use a Predator. I don't constantly talk about how great they are. I do not swear by their name. Yet somehow, I don't remember anyone ever have a problem with my postings...

Interesting. Perhaps it is the tone some people take in their posts, or perhaps they just keep going around in circles never coming to any point other than wanting to argue? Okay, fine... Whatever...

All posters are welcome here, pro-pred or not. I think the regulars here just get a bit annoyed when people come in spewing the same things over again and again.

By the way, why ask the above poster "Greg from Freindly" if he is the same person you met, when you already stated you will not be returning. Why ask the question, if you dont plan on coming back to find the answer? :roll:

[spartan]

I dont use a predator nor do I talk about how great they are. I could very well be wrong but I dont think anyone here has a problem with my posts. Im sorry I thought you were Richard from X breaker who likes to post here under guest pimping his product. Unfortunately Seyberts like many forums is used for advertisement purposes without consent. It is frowned upon and your post sounded like you were him trying to pimp the X breaker. I apologize.

I dont use a predator nor do I talk about how great they are.

Playing cue: Mike Capone
Break cue: Predator BK
Other cues: Phillippi, Joss, Black Boar, Skip Weston


But you do use a preditor! Anyways my post was directed at the smart asses who flamed me after my post...enough said...

Havent heard or seen nathar btw.... hmmm... just a few hours away right?

To M. Lawson.... i have played out there many times... could be possible!


Greg

[audiopro]

I wear pants, but I don't talk about how great they are.

Point being, just because you use something, doesn't mean you hype them. So your point is???

[spartan]

Yes I break with a BK. I dont play with one though. I play with a Capone with a Capone shaft. Many break with a Predator but do not play with one.

There ya go audio ... another smart ass comment from that hole in your face..... whats the problem? bad day? or you just naturally an anus? :P

[skor]

guys guys guys.... relaaaaaaaaaaaaxx

no one said that x breaker is no good, it just looks as someone is pimping it...
if you go on the predator forum and look back then you'll see people asking about a product and then you'll see others say what they think but you won't see a guest posting a milion times how great a cue is....
when all posts come from guest we can't tell if it's from the same one or from 100 different users, although one can assume that posts come from one source if all the posts carry the same idea, using the same words....

[audiopro]

There ya go audio ... another smart ass comment from that hole in your face..... whats the problem? bad day? or you just naturally an anus? :P

Um, no... I'm having a great day as usual, but thanks for asking. I hope your day is going good as well. 8)

[nathar]

Havent heard or seen nathar btw.... hmmm... just a few hours away right?

Greg

Wow, I go away for a weeks vacation and come back to this.

Pool God? Where the hell did you get Pool God from? I am a shot maker, according to the labels handed out by the forum. Don't forget it!! :twisted:

First of all, my coments had nothing to do with ones ability to control the cb. My comments were specifically aimed at the statement that having an open shot at the one when you failed to pocket a ball was a good thing. When you fail to pocket a ball, and turn over an open table then you have in essence just made a mistake. Granted, a certain amount of luck is involved in the break, and with all of the kisses that can occur nothing is ever guaranteed. Having said that, yes. The ability to control the cb on the break is a very important skill, and something to be strived for. And I say skill because if you put either the X-breaker or the BK-2 in the hands of someone that doesn't know how to properly break a rack, then the cb is going to take off around the table anyway.

That still doesn't change the fact that leaving the cb in the middle of the table after failing to pocket a ball can and will end your participation in most tournaments that I have played in or observed.

As for my other comments, yeah I was being a smartass. And one of those remarks wasn't even directed at you. If your that sensitive then maybe you should take a pill. I would suggest a testosterone supplement to try to cut back on the hypersensivity. And no. I will not be making any trips to Lynchburg. Not because I am not interested in your offer, just that Lynchburg is about 90 miles from nowhere. Somewhere in between, who knows?

And in all honesty, our whole problem with this topic is that a guest, whomever it may be, keeps posting almost the exact same post with the exact same info and the exact same plaudits. At a certain point it becomes recognizable as spam and therefore becomes very annoying. If said guest poster wants a little credability, then all he has to do is register and have a consistent persona so that we know that we are or are not dealing with the same person. It only takes a couple of minutes to register and it's completely free.

I assure you that if that one step is taken, unless your whole point in being here is to be a jackass, then you and your ideas will be shown a lot more respect.

I personally didn't see anything wrong with your first post. I just don't agree with the premise that leaving an open shot on the one having failed to pocket a ball is a good thing.

[French Billiards]

Well said Nathar :!:

[skor]

When you see a match on tv then you'll notice that a lot of time the CB is flying all over the place, because to many pro players it is more important to pocket a ball the to control the CB, I think that what goes on in their head is that they can push or play safe if they won't have a shot on the lowest ball BUT if you pay attention then you'll notice that when a pro player is "on the hill" then his last break is softer and more controled since they want to make sure that they will run out.

WE ARE NOT PROS

The best tip I give about the break is "control the cue ball" it good to get a shot on the one even if we don't pocket a ball because it means that we are doing something "right", a bit softer or harder and we would have pocket a ball... don't forget that a lot of times pocketing a ball on the break is luck.
In amateur matches it's rare to see someone run out from the 1ball so I don't see a problem with not pocketing a ball on the break.
As amteurs we need to concentrate more on playing "the right way" and winning will come with time.

wow nathar your like talking to a wall... ill say again and i quote once again...

(quote)
I will say this though..... the x-breaker gives me uncanny control over the CB. I find myself after the break looking at the one ball 90% of the time whether i make a ball or not! This in my mind is the ultimate goal on the break other then pocketing a ball wouldnt you say?

again if you read a post before you completly act an ass then this all wouldnt be like this...

and Lynchburg is 45 miles from Roanoke, 50 miles from Danville, 46 miles from Charlottesville, 32 miles from Farmville.... which in any case makes you wrong again...

Now that being said .... tell me were your at and ill carry myself there and give your shot making ass a lesson in humility....nuff said to your coward ass...NOONE WANTS EXCUSES ... JUST PLAY

basically i saw the question and i was checking this cue out myself before i go and spend 400 bucks on a piece of crap.... i used one and liked it BIG FREEKING DEAL>... i answered the question is all to the best of my ability ... if thats not acceptable to some here then to F****** bad....

it would seem that some here needs a pill if a few posts by a guy who sells the thing bothers you all this bad.... life is tough but it aint that tough CHILL....


greg

[mechmat]

wow nathar your like talking to a wall... ill say again and i quote once again...

(quote)
I will say this though..... the x-breaker gives me uncanny control over the CB. I find myself after the break looking at the one ball 90% of the time whether i make a ball or not! This in my mind is the ultimate goal on the break other then pocketing a ball wouldnt you say?

again if you read a post before you completly act an ass then this all wouldnt be like this...

and Lynchburg is 45 miles from Roanoke, 50 miles from Danville, 46 miles from Charlottesville, 32 miles from Farmville.... which in any case makes you wrong again...

Now that being said .... tell me were your at and ill carry myself there and give your shot making ass a lesson in humility....nuff said to your coward ass...NOONE WANTS EXCUSES ... JUST PLAY

basically i saw the question and i was checking this cue out myself before i go and spend 400 bucks on a piece of crap.... i used one and liked it BIG FREEKING DEAL>... i answered the question is all to the best of my ability ... if thats not acceptable to some here then to F****** bad....

it would seem that some here needs a pill if a few posts by a guy who sells the thing bothers you all this bad.... life is tough but it aint that tough CHILL....


greg

All you are proving by making posts like this is that you are the antagonist and the problem on this thread. Attempting to insult good posters like audio (with another moronic comment no less, I'm sure you're the only one on this forum who can't type without moving your mouth :roll: ) and puffing out your chest trying to challenge someone to a match on the internet only makes you look like the forum troll you are.

BTW, all you proved is that you can't write two sentences without contradicting yourself. Yes, you attempted to redeem a dumb comment by adding 'other than making a ball' but you still made yourself look stupid with the 'looking at the one ball whether I make a ball or not!' part.

[Isamu Kanzaki]

You know, I think you still have no clue as to what everyone else has been talking about. If you break and leave a look at the 1 ball, WITHOUT POCKETING ANY OTHER BALLS, you're in trouble already. That's just a plain fact, especially at higher levels of play.

[French Billiards]

Considering that this tread started on 12-16-05, and has generated a lot
of name calling, I vote to lock it. Anyway that's my opinion...

[Isamu Kanzaki]

I second that lock.

[dags_lax]

This X Breaker pimp is starting to get to be a pain. The next time I see a post from him I think I will go out to five different sites and post comments to the effect that the X Breaker is a piece of shit.

Okay I tried but I just couldn't do it. The X breaker may be a piece of crap or it just may be the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't know. What ever the case I just couldn't put up a post on a subject that I had no personal experience with. Sorry guys. I guess my ploy didn't work and we will have to suffer the postings of the X breaker pimp.

I just got mine and its going right back. I never seen such poor craftmanship! It looks like a $80 made in Chia cue.
I don't care how hard it hits $350-400.00 for this thing is a joke.
And I don't use a BK2
Thanks

[Peter]

I just got mine and its going right back. I never seen such poor craftmanship! It looks like a $80 made in Chia cue.
I don't care how hard it hits $350-400.00 for this thing is a joke.
And I don't use a BK2
Thanks

You JUST got yours? :o :o

When I contacted them, they are all out, so are all their US dealers. They have been out for a few months now.

They are made in Canada, the BK2 is indeed made in China. :D

I am not the "xbreaker pimp", but you guys are really pathetic and it is getting on my nerve.

Peter Yates
Catonsville MD 21228

[AMoney]

Does anyone in this forum have extensive experience with the X Breaker? Do yoou think it is worth $350? I currently own a Stinger, but i dont like the phenolic tip, as it doesn't hold chalk well. I also don't like it because it is too heavy for me. So, I would like to get a new jump and/or break cue. I've narrowed it down to either the x breaker or the combination of the Mezz Airshooter and Powerbreak II.

I am still skeptical of the x breaker, so any info on your experience with one will be helpful. But the problem with getting the Mezz cues is that both together cost about $440. So if i get the x breaker, i'm actually saving about $100. What do u guys think??

Thanks for your help guys.

[nathar]

$300.00 for a non-wrap BK2 and $60.00 for a Lucasi jump cue. Good value and great performance. 8)

Skor has also had great success with a much cheaper break cue although I can't remember the name. But I believe that it is under $125.00. :)

[skor]

double post....

[skor]

It's Kaiser and it's under $100...... :twisted:

[MyNameIsFab]

Does anyone in this forum have extensive experience with the X Breaker? Do yoou think it is worth $350? I currently own a Stinger, but i dont like the phenolic tip, as it doesn't hold chalk well. I also don't like it because it is too heavy for me. So, I would like to get a new jump and/or break cue. I've narrowed it down to either the x breaker or the combination of the Mezz Airshooter and Powerbreak II.

I am still skeptical of the x breaker, so any info on your experience with one will be helpful. But the problem with getting the Mezz cues is that both together cost about $440. So if i get the x breaker, i'm actually saving about $100. What do u guys think??

Thanks for your help guys.

I bought mine 7 months ago and I was really satisfied by it until a small accident with a broken tip. Xtreme Billiard changes my whole cue with the new line made by Samsara and I can tell you it's like day and night : It looks 100% better than the old one, you can forget the "made-in-china" style ;-)
About the break, I find the new one a little heavier than the old model so I made 3-4 tries before recovering my feelings, and now I break as good as before (I usually play 8 ball on 9' tables and I pocket 1-2 ball almost each time). The jump is amazing as usual (even if you're a beginner, you succeed !) but I don't like to use it (I find it's an "un-natural" shot) : I buy it as a break cue mostly...

But to be totally honest the price is too expensive : 250$ should be better... or 350$ with another shaft perhaps ? I buy it because the BK2 was delayed for months and I needed a good break cue to replace my old Cuetec jump break ! Yesterday I tried a bunjee Jump break and it's a really good break cue too... but I keep my Xbreaker : I have good results with it, that's what it does matter, no ?

(sorry for my english, i'm french...)

[MyNameIsFab]

Does anyone in this forum have extensive experience with the X Breaker? Do yoou think it is worth $350? I currently own a Stinger, but i dont like the phenolic tip, as it doesn't hold chalk well. I also don't like it because it is too heavy for me. So, I would like to get a new jump and/or break cue. I've narrowed it down to either the x breaker or the combination of the Mezz Airshooter and Powerbreak II.

I am still skeptical of the x breaker, so any info on your experience with one will be helpful. But the problem with getting the Mezz cues is that both together cost about $440. So if i get the x breaker, i'm actually saving about $100. What do u guys think??

Thanks for your help guys.

I bought mine 7 months ago and I was really satisfied by it until a small accident with a broken tip. Xtreme Billiard changes my whole cue with the new line made by Samsara and I can tell you it's like day and night : It looks 100% better than the old one, you can forget the "made-in-china" style ;-)
About the break, I find the new one a little heavier than the old model so I made 3-4 tries before recovering my feelings, and now I break as good as before (I usually play 8 ball on 9' tables and I pocket 1-2 ball almost each time). The jump is amazing as usual (even if you're a beginner, you succeed !) but I don't like to use it (I find it's an "un-natural" shot) : I buy it as a break cue mostly...

But to be totally honest the price is too expensive : 250$ should be better... or 350$ with another shaft perhaps ? I buy it because the BK2 was delayed for months and I needed a good break cue to replace my old Cuetec jump break ! Yesterday I tried a bunjee Jump break and it's a really good break cue too... but I keep my Xbreaker : I have good results with it, that's what it does matter, no ?

(sorry for my english, i'm french...)

[MyNameIsFab]

sorry for the double post, i have access problems....