Corner Pocket Straight in Shots

[audiopro]

Okay, so I am having an issue here lately, hoping skor or dags or someone can help out...

OB is at a corner pocket. But, it is deep enough the you can not work off any rails then around to drop it. Your only option is a straight in shot. Now to compound the problem, the CB is all the way at the other side.. So far that getting any draw or stun is very difficult. So, chances are ya follow her in an scratch..

I know there are several ways of working this, but what works best for everyone else.. I've been having the problem of trying to hard for stun or draw, and missing the shot, or bouncing the OB back out of the pocket...

Suggestions??

[LWW]

If I'm understanding your OB location properly what I've done is use low outside english to spin the CB off the OB and into a pocket jaw and back out.

LWW

[Spud]

I dont think I understand the question. If the ob is a duck why is the only option a straight in shot?

[DZ314]

Work on hitting the cb low and use a very smooth stoke in order to stop the cb at the point of contact with the ob.

[LWW]

I dont think I understand the question. If the ob is a duck why is the only option a straight in shot?If I'm understanding it correctly his problem is on a long shot where the OB is so deep in the pocket that the chance of scratching is very high as is the chance of the CB getting left extremely deep in the pocket if you do get a good stop.

LWW

[audiopro]

Right LWW. And the fact that when you are clear on the other side of the table, and perhaps on a rail, you can not get low on the CB to do a stun shot, or draw at all.. Sorry, should have clarified a bit more. Picture CB on a rail lngth-wise on the other end, and OB in the pocket on the edge.. Deep enough you can not bank to CB off the rail first, cause it will miss the OB.

[DZ314]

I would say try to cheat the pocket a tiny bit or try to put a little masse on it so that the cb hits the ob and then deflects to a rail.

[skor]

Okay, so I am having an issue here lately, hoping skor or dags or someone can help out...

OB is at a corner pocket. But, it is deep enough the you can not work off any rails then around to drop it. Your only option is a straight in shot. Now to compound the problem, the CB is all the way at the other side.. So far that getting any draw or stun is very difficult. So, chances are ya follow her in an scratch..

I know there are several ways of working this, but what works best for everyone else.. I've been having the problem of trying to hard for stun or draw, and missing the shot, or bouncing the OB back out of the pocket...

Suggestions??



O.K, I took it to the table before I post anything stupid, I just hope that I understood it right,

I've set up 3 shots as seen in the following diagram, the OB (black) is in the center of the top right corner, I've placed it as deep as I could (a hair more and it would fall into the pocket), I've placed the CB on three spots on the table frozen to the rail (so I can't draw or stop the CB),
From each spot I shot twice, once with only top spin and then with top left spin, on both shots I aimed at the edge of the pocket (marked with an arrow) on all shots I pocketd the OB the side spin only changed the path of the cue ball after the hit, so if you only want to pocket the OB then keep it simple and don't put any side spin.
I've made these shots on a 9ft. table which was quite fast using my Predator cue.



I hope that this is helpfull, if you meant something else then feel free to draw it and post it, I'll do my best to help 8)

[dags_lax]

Like Skor, before posting, I set the shot up with the object ball as deep in the jaws of the pocket as possible and yet from anywhere on the table I was able to cut the object ball or go rail first. I tried this at home and at the tables at the pool hall and it didn't make a difference. But I will grant you that a stop shot out of the jaws of one pocket shooting diagonally the length of the table and stopping the ball was difficult. Certainly not a high percentage shot.

[ThePoolHustler]

Okay, so I am having an issue here lately, hoping skor or dags or someone can help out...

OB is at a corner pocket. But, it is deep enough the you can not work off any rails then around to drop it. Your only option is a straight in shot. Now to compound the problem, the CB is all the way at the other side.. So far that getting any draw or stun is very difficult. So, chances are ya follow her in an scratch..

I know there are several ways of working this, but what works best for everyone else.. I've been having the problem of trying to hard for stun or draw, and missing the shot, or bouncing the OB back out of the pocket...

Suggestions??

Greg,

When I have a shot like this, I usually raise the butt of my cue a little higher than normal and shoot down at the center of the cue ball. I shoot the cue ball fairly hard. After it contacts the OB, the CB usually stops right near the pocket without following the OB into the pocket. This seems to work about 90% (or more) of the time for me. Try it and let me know if it works for you.

Erik

[skor]

Erik, what you are actualy doing is jumping the CB and the CB bounce along it's path until it hit the OB (like bouncing a rock on water), if shot too hard then after hitting the OB the CB might bounce of the table or even into the pocket, if shot too soft it will follow the OB into the pocket, this shot is quite hard and has risks to it, it contradicts the K.I.S.S (Keep It Simple Stupid) concept 8O keeping the cue leveled is keeping the game simple, elevating the butt makes the game a 3 diamentions game and making it harder.
It's good to know and to be able to perform and control this shot but should be used as last resort.

[ThePoolHustler]

Erik, what you are actualy doing is jumping the CB and the CB bounce along it's path until it hit the OB (like bouncing a rock on water), if shot too hard then after hitting the OB the CB might bounce of the table or even into the pocket, if shot too soft it will follow the OB into the pocket, this shot is quite hard and has risks to it, it contradicts the K.I.S.S (Keep It Simple Stupid) concept 8O keeping the cue leveled is keeping the game simple, elevating the butt makes the game a 3 diamentions game and making it harder.
It's good to know and to be able to perform and control this shot but should be used as last resort.

Skor,

Actually, I am not jumping the cue ball. Maybe I'm not explaining it right. Oh well. I am just raising the butt of the cue slightly (not way up) and hitting the CB in the center or slightly below center. I am not putting any English on the CB. About 90% of the time the CB stops right in front of the pocket after contacting (and pocketing) the OB. I've never had it jump off the table or into the pocket.

I understand what you are saying about the K.I.S.S. shot. I use that all the time. However, I think Greg mentioned that he could not do this because the OB was too deep in the corner pocket. That is his entire point.

Here is what Greg stated in his original post:


OB is at a corner pocket. But, it is deep enough the you can not work off any rails then around to drop it. Your only option is a straight in shot. Now to compound the problem, the CB is all the way at the other side.. So far that getting any draw or stun is very difficult. So, chances are ya follow her in an scratch..

In my opinion, Greg is stating that he is unable to use a K.I.S.S. shot to pocket the OB. I think he has come down to a "last resort" shot to pocket the OB. I think what I have suggested is a good "last resort" shot.

I wonder if Greg could put some top right (or bottom right) on the CB and give the CB a good "poke" to hit the OB off to the right between the OB and the pocket...kind of like trying to wedge the CB between the OB and the edge of the pocket. This should pocket the OB and bring the CB back out somewhere into the middle of the table. I guess this is pretty similar to a K.I.S.S. shot...sort of.

Erik

[skor]

Actually, I am not jumping the cue ball

Yes you are, you might not notice it but raising the butt end just a bit and shooting hard will make the CB jump, maybe you should video yourself shooting it and then watch it in slow motion.




it is deep enough the you can not work off any rails then around to drop it

I've placed the cue ball as deep as possible and still was able to pocket it after hitting the rail (edge of pocket) first.

since Greg posted this question I've noticed this situation more then before, I guess I've never put any thought to it, just last night I found myself a few times with the OB hanging deep in the pocket and although in some situations I could have use draw shot , I played it with either center hit or top spin and got to position just by applying different side spin and speed, it made the shot a lot more easier then trying to draw the cue ball

[ThePoolHustler]

Skor...

The CB is jumped off the table on EVERY shot you shoot. This has been proven, and I am sure you are aware of that. I'm not jumping the CB two feet into the air. It might come slightly off the table but, like I said, the CB comes off the table on EVERY shot. IMO, you are making it sound as though I am performing a jump shot or something. I'm not. I may have the butt 1" to 2" above level when I shoot this shot. I don't have it at 45 degrees. Most people shoot with their butt raised in the air, which is not the correct way to shoot. I know the correct way, and that is to keep the cue as level as possible whenever possible.

You must also remember this Skor...some pool tables have deeper pockets than others. Therefore, it is very possible that Greg's OB is too deep in the pocket to perform a K.I.S.S. shot. The table you are playing on might be different than the table Greg is playing on.

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[DZ314]

Man, y'all likes ta argue. :lol: I would go with the off the rail method, that is my preference. I don't know if it is possible to stop the cb when it is frozen to a rail and the ob is sitting in the jaws. If you hit it full on the face of the ob then it would have to follow it in.

[ThePoolHustler]

Okay, so I am having an issue here lately, hoping skor or dags or someone can help out...

OB is at a corner pocket. But, it is deep enough the you can not work off any rails then around to drop it. Your only option is a straight in shot. Now to compound the problem, the CB is all the way at the other side.. So far that getting any draw or stun is very difficult. So, chances are ya follow her in an scratch..

I know there are several ways of working this, but what works best for everyone else.. I've been having the problem of trying to hard for stun or draw, and missing the shot, or bouncing the OB back out of the pocket...

Suggestions??

I don't think Greg said anything here regarding the CB being "frozen" to the opposite end rail or cushion (as it is technically called -- the rail is the part of the table behind the cushion). He mentioned that the OB was too deep in the pocket to perform a K.I.S.S. shot. It may be. Some tables have deeper pockets than others. I have had this problem before. This is exactly why I have performed my "last resort" shot many times in the past with GREAT success.

[ThePoolHustler]

Man, y'all likes ta argue. :lol: I would go with the off the rail method, that is my preference. I don't know if it is possible to stop the cb when it is frozen to a rail and the ob is sitting in the jaws. If you hit it full on the face of the ob then it would have to follow it in.

Like I stated, Greg may not be able to perform an "off the rail" (kiss) shot. After all, that is what he stated in his first post. He said the OB was too deep in the pocket to do it. And as I stated, some tables have deeper pockets than others, so this is quite possible. I have had this same situation happen to me many times in the past. The cue ball will not follow the OB into the pocket unless you put top spin on it. I would put some bottom on the CB, if possible, and hit it somewhat hard. Otherwise, the CB will lose its backspin and start spinning forward before it reaches the OB. If this happens, the CB will definitely follow the OB into the pocket. Maybe Greg should try to "wedge" the CB between the OB and the edge of the pocket with some bottom backspin. At least if he hits the OB the CB will spin backwards. He will have to hit the CB a little harder to get this to work. If all you can do is put topspin on the CB, don't take the shot. Shoot at something else. Play safe. If you shoot at the OB and miss, it will be BIH for the incoming player. If you shoot at the OB and hit it, it may still be BIH for the incoming player if you foul/scratch. Either way, you lose. Greg might be better off taking a different shot or playing safe. I don't know. This is just my opinion. The game must be played wisely if you want to win.

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[DZ314]

I don't recall you shooting that kind of shot with great success, if it is the kind of shot that I am picturing. A long shot where the cb hits the jaw-sitting ob and stops dead without hitting any rail. I remember your cb following the ob into the pocket a few times though. :?: :?:

[ThePoolHustler]

I don't recall you shooting that kind of shot with great success, if it is the kind of shot that I am picturing. A long shot where the cb hits the jaw-sitting ob and stops dead without hitting any rail. I remember your cb following the ob into the pocket a few times though. :?: :?:

You must not have been paying much attention then. I have done this many times with GREAT success. I think shooting this shot and having it work 90% of the time is GREAT success. Of course, I have messed it up a few times and put the CB in the pocket right behind the OB. If you would like, I can prove my point. I'd be glad to show you what I am talking about sometime. We can put the OB deep into the pocket and put the CB at the other end of the table "frozen" to the cushion. I will show you how it is done. Of course, if the CB is frozen to the cushion then I will have to raise the butt up a little more than what I would like. I will still sink the OB and not the CB. Just let me know when you would like me to show you this. Sometimes the CB stops near the pocket. Sometimes it stops somewhere else on the table. It very rarely follows the OB into the pocket.

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[DZ314]

Ok, as long as you can do it without the cue ball touching a rail. You gotta hit it full face, no cheating the pocket or anything. :twisted:

[skor]

Right LWW. And the fact that when you are clear on the other side of the table, and perhaps on a rail, you can not get low on the CB to do a stun shot, or draw at all.. Sorry, should have clarified a bit more. Picture CB on a rail lngth-wise on the other end, and OB in the pocket on the edge.. Deep enough you can not bank to CB off the rail first, cause it will miss the OB.

Erik read the above slowly, again:

"And the fact that when you are clear on the other side of the table, and perhaps on a rail, you can not get low on the CB to do a stun shot"

Also look at the diagram I posted, there is no way to make the shot that you are talking about when playing from these positions.

You are right different tables have different pockets BUT the shot I'm offering will work on any table, all you have to do is work out the right speed, when hitting the CB from the 3 positions in my diagram with top spin (you have to because the CB is frozen to the rail) and hitting the edge of the corner pocket, if there is no OB in the pocket you will scratch, bcause of the distance of the shot, the cue ball will pick up outside english and when it'll hit the edge of the rail it will pick up some more spin and when it'll hit the OB the spin will cuase the CB to bounce back out = no scratch, you said you have 90% success with your shot, well I have 100% with mine.


The CB is jumped off the table on EVERY shot you shoot. This has been proven

REALLY :?: :!: :?: :!: :?:

Can you send me a copy of that prove ?

If you raise the butt of the cue and you punch the CB, then yes it'll jump every time, BUT if you keep it as leveled as possible and stroke it smoothly then it won't jump, MOST AMATEUR PLAYERS HIT THE CUE BALL HARDER THEN THEY REALLY NEED TOO !!!!! Remember that, and this was proven by Mark Wilson with a speed gun, a pro player and an amateur player

[ThePoolHustler]

REALLY :?: :!: :?: :!: :?:

Can you send me a copy of that prove ?

If you raise the butt of the cue and you punch the CB, then yes it'll jump every time, BUT if you keep it as leveled as possible and stroke it smoothly then it won't jump, MOST AMATEUR PLAYERS HIT THE CUE BALL HARDER THEN THEY REALLY NEED TOO !!!!! Remember that, and this was proven by Mark Wilson with a speed gun, a pro player and an amateur player


I believe Bob Burns mentions this in his videos. You may want to ask Cory (DZ314) about this. Cory and I have talked about this before after watching one of the videos I believe. There is no argument here Skor. The CB is jumped off the table on EVERY shot, believe it or not. It doesn't matter how level the cue is. Maybe you should invest in a video camera as you suggested I do. You will see.

And I agree, most amateurs hit the CB way too hard. I don't need to remember this. I already know this. I tend to hit softer most of the time.

[ThePoolHustler]

Also look at the diagram I posted, there is no way to make the shot that you are talking about when playing from these positions.


I can make this shot with the CB against the cushion. I would simply raise the butt of the cue slightly and hit the CB a little harder than normal. I have done this many times. If anyone would like proof of this, come to Toledo, Ohio and I will show you how to do it.

I still don't think this is the best shot for Greg to take, unless it is his last OB on the table. He should take a different shot or play safe.

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[ThePoolHustler]

Ok, as long as you can do it without the cue ball touching a rail. You gotta hit it full face, no cheating the pocket or anything. :twisted:

The CB will not touch a rail until AFTER it hits the OB. I have peformed this shot more times than I can count. I have been very successful doing it. It doesn't matter what everyone else here says. I have done it. I know it has worked for me. It may not work for others. It was merely a suggestion and an opinion. Personally, I try not to take these shots unless I have no other choice. I would shoot a different OB or play safe. Why not leave the "duck" there and let the other player knock it in the pocket?

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[DZ314]

It shouldn't hit a rail before or after striking the ob. :wink:

[ThePoolHustler]

It shouldn't hit a rail before or after striking the ob. :wink:

It doesn't matter what happens after striking the OB as long as the CB doesn't follow the OB into the pocket. I'd rather hit the OB and not foul than hit the OB and foul. I guess it all depends on the situation though. Sometimes fouling on purpose can be beneficial.

[skor]

I can make this shot with the CB against the cushion. I would simply raise the butt of the cue slightly and hit the CB a little harder than normal

Call it what you would like, but what you are describing is a jump shot, a deliberate jump shot.




I believe Bob Burns mentions this in his videos. You may want to ask Cory (DZ314) about this. Cory and I have talked about this before after watching one of the videos I believe. There is no argument here Skor. The CB is jumped off the table on EVERY shot, believe it or not

Ask Mr. Byrne (not Burns) if he would like to bet on that, maybe you would like to bet on it, I'm sure I can hit the CB and make it move without leaving the surface of the table at least once out of one tries.

[ThePoolHustler]

Call it what you would like, but what you are describing is a jump shot, a deliberate jump shot.


I will call it what I would like. It is definitely not a jump shot. You would know this if you actually saw me do it. Maybe I will show DZ314 and Buckeye what I am talking about since I actually know them and have played pool with them.





Ask Mr. Byrne (not Burns) if he would like to bet on that, maybe you would like to bet on it, I'm sure I can hit the CB and make it move without leaving the surface of the table at least once out of one tries.


Okay...it has been a long day. It is very hot out. And my boss' last name is Burns, so I am used to spelling that name "Burns". Please forgive me for I have sinned. lol

I bet Bob would bet you any amount of money, as would I. You are wrong Skor. The CB lifts off the table on EVERY shot. I'm not saying it jumps 2' into the air. You should really invest in a video camera and tape every shot you shoot. You will see the proof that you want.

DZ314...watch your Bob Byrne's videos for me and find the part where he talks about this. Please! Thanks! I know we have watched it before. I think he talks about this in the first video you bought. And I know you and I have talked about this many times.

I am not sure why Skor is picking a fight with me about all of this, but I wish he would stop. Oh well. I'm not arguing about it any more.

[skor]

Erik, I'm really not picking any fights, sorry if you feel that way

it's looks like that once again we are not going to agree on anything which is fine.

click the next link and watch the video clip, it's not exactly the same shot that we are talking about but it is similar to what you are talking about, again this is all a matter of semantics but you are about to see is a jump shot with bottom spin or you might call it Extreme Draw, but this shot is close to impossible when the CB is frozen to the rail.

http://www.poolhall.com/tv/instruction/ExtremeDraw.avi

this will be my last post on this matter since I'm asked to stop.

everybody, enjoy the video :wink:

[spartan]

erik when you aim down into the cueball the slate on the table acts like a "cushion". the cueball has no where to go but up. it is a jump.

[audiopro]

If anyone thinks skor is picking fights they are uberlame!!! skor and dags are probably our most experienced players in this forum, so when they speak, what they say should be taken very serious. I know without seeing things in person, it is difficult to judge exactly what a shot looks like... Let's not argue over what that may or may not be.. But fact is, when skor talks, I listen.. Everyone else should as well..

:oops: Sorry, I dont take it lightly when people jump skor, or some of the others here.. They have contributed way to much to be taken so lightly.. I am cool with arguing points, I think I have argued at least .5 times with skor.. But I am just trying to stress, skor is not trying to cause problems or attack anyone.. More than anyone else here, he is just trying to help.. And... Skor knows is sh.t.. :?

[spartan]

If anyone thinks skor is picking fights they are uberlame!!! skor and dags are probably our most experienced players in this forum, so when they speak, what they say should be taken very serious. I know without seeing things in person, it is difficult to judge exactly what a shot looks like... Let's not argue over what that may or may not be.. But fact is, when skor talks, I listen.. Everyone else should as well..

:oops: Sorry, I dont take it lightly when people jump skor, or some of the others here.. They have contributed way to much to be taken so lightly.. I am cool with arguing points, I think I have argued at least .5 times with skor.. But I am just trying to stress, skor is not trying to cause problems or attack anyone.. More than anyone else here, he is just trying to help.. And... Skor knows is sh.t.. :?

dont forget neil. he might be able to shed some light on this.

[DZ314]

Yeah, Neil is our pro meng. :D

[ThePoolHustler]

erik when you aim down into the cueball the slate on the table acts like a "cushion". the cueball has no where to go but up. it is a jump.

EVERY time you hit the CB it lifts off the table. Therefore, every shot is a jump shot. This has been proven. Bob Byrne talks about this in his videos and I have also read it other places.

[spartan]

you know everything there is to know. :roll:

[ThePoolHustler]

If anyone thinks skor is picking fights they are uberlame!!! skor and dags are probably our most experienced players in this forum, so when they speak, what they say should be taken very serious. I know without seeing things in person, it is difficult to judge exactly what a shot looks like... Let's not argue over what that may or may not be.. But fact is, when skor talks, I listen.. Everyone else should as well..

I am not going to listen to him when I know for a fact that he is wrong about some things. Sorry!



:oops: Sorry, I dont take it lightly when people jump skor, or some of the others here.. They have contributed way to much to be taken so lightly.. I am cool with arguing points, I think I have argued at least .5 times with skor.. But I am just trying to stress, skor is not trying to cause problems or attack anyone.. More than anyone else here, he is just trying to help.. And... Skor knows is sh.t.. :?


Skor is not the only one here that knows something about pool. He may not be intentionally trying to start an argument, but I totally disagree with him stating that the cue ball doesn't leave the table on EVERY shot...because it most certainly does. Videotape yourself shooting sometime and you will see.

[ThePoolHustler]

you know everything there is to know. :roll:

I never said that. I think there are others here that seem to think they know everything there is to know though. And when others disagree with them, all hell breaks loose.

Videotape yourself shooting sometime. Maybe you will see what I am talking about. It happens so quickly that you do not notice the CB jumping off the table, but it does.

[ThePoolHustler]

DZ314...

Why don't you back me up on this? We have watched the Bob Byrne's videos together. We have also talked about this many times.

Why is it so hard to get people to understand that Skor and Dags and some others aren't the only ones with knowledge? Sometimes others know something about pool too, but when they do they become known as "know-it-alls" on this board. That is one thing that bothers me about this board, which is why I have not been here that much lately.

[ThePoolHustler]

Erik, I'm really not picking any fights, sorry if you feel that way

it's looks like that once again we are not going to agree on anything which is fine.

click the next link and watch the video clip, it's not exactly the same shot that we are talking about but it is similar to what you are talking about, again this is all a matter of semantics but you are about to see is a jump shot with bottom spin or you might call it Extreme Draw, but this shot is close to impossible when the CB is frozen to the rail.

http://www.poolhall.com/tv/instruction/ExtremeDraw.avi

this will be my last post on this matter since I'm asked to stop.

everybody, enjoy the video :wink:

Maybe some of your comments come across the wrong way to me then. I don't think we are going to agree on this. The CB probably does come off the table, but what I am saying is that I am not intentionally jumping the CB. And actually, unlike this video...I think I am hitting the CB in the center or slightly above...not below. I may have been wrong in my previous post as to where I was hitting the CB. In this video, the CB is being hit below center which is scooping the CB into the air. This would probably be an illegal jump shot if it is intended as a jump shot. And as I have stated before, the CB lifts off the table on every shot. It is very hard to notice this without videotaping your shots...which is what Bob Byrne did to prove it. I am pretty sure that is where I have heard and seen this...on a Bob Byrne video that DZ314 has. I think I have the same video here somewhere. I will watch it again, if I can find it, to verify what I am saying.

I agree, the shot in this video is impossible if the CB is right on the rail. If the CB were right on the rail, you would not be able to hit the CB below center...which is why I hit it at center or probably slightly above center when I do it. I don't think I raise my butt as much as Kenny did in this video. Maybe I do. I'm not sure. I don't videotape myself when I do it. And BTW, I actually used to converse with Kenny quite a bit via email about pool. DZ314 can attest to this. Him and I were roommates at the time. The three of us were considering doing some business together.

I just wish some people would respect some things I have to say on this board because I really do know quite a bit about this game. Sometimes I am probably wrong about things (as are others), but not all the time like some people make it seem. I don't come here to pick fights. That is not my intention. If some of you knew me personally, you would understand this. Unfortunately, you do not. I guess DZ314 and Buckeye would have to attest to this. However, I have not known Buckeye for very long.

I apologize if I have come across in a negative way Skor. It just seems as though you are being negative toward me sometimes.

[audiopro]

Sorry to be the one to tell ya this Erik, but when it comes to pool.. I'm taking skor's word for it over yours.. You are a novice player, skor is a veteran player. This has been shown apparent in other posts and the history shown over the years on this board.

Yes, you may know a thing or two. But if stories conflict, I am going with the experienced one until someone can offer 100% proof otherwise, or I find out myself...

[ThePoolHustler]

Sorry to be the one to tell ya this Erik, but when it comes to pool.. I'm taking skor's word for it over yours.. You are a novice player, skor is a veteran player. This has been shown apparent in other posts and the history shown over the years on this board.

Yes, you may know a thing or two. But if stories conflict, I am going with the experienced one until someone can offer 100% proof otherwise, or I find out myself...

Your choice! I don't care. I know I am right about this. The CB lifts off the table on EVERY shot...believe it or not. Skor doesn't always know everything. I guess that you will have to find this out for yourself.

I am not a novice player. I have been playing for quite awhile now.

[audiopro]

Aren't you like an APA 4 or so???

[DZ314]

I haven't watched the Bryne video in a while, but this is what I found by doing a little search:

http://www.8ball.org/simpson_get_jumping.htm

http://www.azbilliards.com/tomsimpson/tom1.cfm

Those say that the CB jumps on almost every shot. :?

[ThePoolHustler]

I found my Bob Byrne video. I am going to watch it right now. For some reason, I believe this is where I heard and saw the proof about the CB lifting off the table on every shot...no matter what English you use. If it is on here, I will let you know. I know I heard and saw this somewhere.

[ThePoolHustler]

I haven't watched the Bryne video in a while, but this is what I found by doing a little search:

http://www.8ball.org/simpson_get_jumping.htm

http://www.azbilliards.com/tomsimpson/tom1.cfm

Those say that the CB jumps on almost every shot. :?

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

Now maybe someone will believe me for a freaking change!!!!

I know it is on the Bob Byrne video too. I am going to watch it right now.

[DZ314]

LOL, np dude.

[audiopro]

Balls jump all the time. Most players don't realize it, but the cueball actually leaves the table on almost every shot.

This guy contradicts himself in the same paragraph.. lol..

[ThePoolHustler]

LOL, np dude.

Thanks!

I just finished watched the only Bob Byrne video I have here..."Byrne's Standard Video of Pool & Billiards - Volume I". The reference to the CB leaving the table on ALMOST EVERY shot was not in this video. I know you have more than one Byrne video there. I only have this one. We have watched another one together. I think the other one you have contain the reference to the CB leaving the table on ALMOST EVERY shot. Can you watch it for me and verify this? I would greatly appreciate it.

And I was mistaken when I said the CB leaves the table on EVERY shot. I guess it is on ALMOST EVERY shot. Sorry. I was close.

Some of us actually do know something about pool, despite what some others on here may think. I'm sure some of you still will not believe me. Oh well!!!! I'm not sure what proof you are after. I guess you could ask Neil and Rick about this. Maybe they can verify what I am saying.

[ThePoolHustler]

Balls jump all the time. Most players don't realize it, but the cueball actually leaves the table on almost every shot.

This guy contradicts himself in the same paragraph.. lol..

No he doesn't. He said BALLS jump all the time (not every time), which they do. And he says that the CB leaves the table on ALMOST EVERY shot, which it does. Where is the contradiction? I guess you will pick everything apart no matter what the proof is. You should really start asking some professional players and instructors about this. I'm sure they will tell you what I am telling you.

Believe what you wish Greg. I don't really care. Maybe I am just more knowledgeable than you, and some others. I don't know. I'm not going to argue about it any longer. It's stupid.

And to think that I was actually trying to offer you some assistance and advice regarding your post here. Oh well! I see how you are.

[audiopro]

all ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôl)
adj.
Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity: All the windows are open. Deal all the cards. See Synonyms at whole.
Constituting, being, or representing the total extent or the whole: all Christendom.
Being the utmost possible of: argued the case in all seriousness.
Every: got into all manner of trouble.
Any whatsoever: beyond all doubt.

Main Entry: all
Part of Speech: adjective 2
Definition: each
Synonyms: any, bar non, complete, entire, every, every single, sum, total, totality, whole


So.. All is the same as Every..


Believe what you wish Greg. I don't really care. Maybe I am just more knowledgeable than you, and some others. I don't know. I'm not going to argue about it any longer. It's stupid.

Well obviously not in this case. You can't even get the definitions of All and Every straight??!? :twisted:


And to think that I was actually trying to offer you some assistance and advice regarding your post here. Oh well! I see how you are.

And I appreciate your input Erik. Just because I disagree does not mean I don't invite your input. No worries man, not a big deal.. Just a disagreement.. It's all good my friend! 8)

[DZ314]

Yeah, that must have been in the second video. I will put it on now since I have the TV now lol. :lol:

[ThePoolHustler]

all ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôl)
adj.
Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity: All the windows are open. Deal all the cards. See Synonyms at whole.
Constituting, being, or representing the total extent or the whole: all Christendom.
Being the utmost possible of: argued the case in all seriousness.
Every: got into all manner of trouble.
Any whatsoever: beyond all doubt.

Main Entry: all
Part of Speech: adjective 2
Definition: each
Synonyms: any, bar non, complete, entire, every, every single, sum, total, totality, whole


So.. All is the same as Every..


Believe what you wish Greg. I don't really care. Maybe I am just more knowledgeable than you, and some others. I don't know. I'm not going to argue about it any longer. It's stupid.

Well obviously not in this case. You can't even get the definitions of All and Every straight??!?

Don't be a dickhead. I'm sorry, but that is what you are being. Like it or not. Haven't you ever used the word "all" before in a different context? For example, "I do that all the time."...when in reality you really meant that you do it a lot...not actually all the time. Come on Greg!!!! Why are you picking this apart? Don't you like being wrong? You're really being an ass about this. And by the way, I know what the words mean.

And you wonder how arguments start. Sometimes you are the cause of them. Have you ever thought about that?

[DZ314]

Let's not get into semantics. All the time doesn't necessarily mean the same as each and every time. When someone says, "My wife bitches at me all the time" that doesn't mean that she bitches every time she speaks lol.

[ThePoolHustler]

Let's not get into semantics. All the time doesn't necessarily mean the same as each and every time. When someone says, "My wife bitches at me all the time" that doesn't mean that she bitches every time she speaks lol.

EXACTLY!!!!

Thanks again DZ!!!!

I just made a post stating something similar to this.

[audiopro]

Please refrain from name calling. I have not called you any names, I suggest you give me the same respect.

And the definition DOES matter when Erik's original posts regarding the issue, he made point that it was EVERY, ALL, THE TOTAL, etc...

So technically, I was not wrong Erik. Matter of fact, I did not state fact either way. So there would be nothing for me to be wrong about.. You sir, were indeed wrong.

Now then, chill with the name calling. :roll:

[DZ314]

Erik did say that he was wrong about his use of every shot as opposed to almost every shot.

[audiopro]

Erik did say that he was wrong about his use of every shot as opposed to almost every shot.

Yes he did... Kudos for that...

However that was indeed after my post about Mr. Simpsons contradiction. Not that it matters..

[ThePoolHustler]

Please refrain from name calling. I have not called you any names, I suggest you give me the same respect.

And the definition DOES matter when Erik's original posts regarding the issue, he made point that it was EVERY, ALL, THE TOTAL, etc...

So technically, I was not wrong Erik. Matter of fact, I did not state fact either way. So there would be nothing for me to be wrong about.. You sir, were indeed wrong.

Now then, chill with the name calling. :roll:

Whatever Greg!!!! Stop acting like this and I will stop stating the obvious. You know how I am. I will not beat around the bush. I'm not going to argue or debate this with you. The fact is that you said that you would not believe me and that you would believe Skor because he has more experience than I do. Well, Skor is wrong this time. This is exactly why I don't believe what some people on this board have to say. They are not always right like others think they are. I also retracted what I stated regarding the word "EVERY". Maybe you should read my posts in their entirety. And you sir are indeed wrong quite a lot on this board. Just my opinion!

[ThePoolHustler]

Erik did say that he was wrong about his use of every shot as opposed to almost every shot.

Yes, I did. Thanks!

[DZ314]

Ok ok, let's call a truce lol. :lol:

[ThePoolHustler]

Ok ok, let's call a truce lol. :lol:

I agree! Otherwise, we know where all of this will lead. 8)

[spartan]

erik why do you have to argue with everyone. you litterally have argued with every single one of the forum regulars and its NEVER your fault. :roll:

[audiopro]

Whatever Greg!!!! Stop acting like this and I will stop stating the obvious. You know how I am. I will not beat around the bush. I'm not going to argue or debate this with you. The fact is that you said that you would not believe me and that you would believe Skor because he has more experience than I do. Well, Skor is wrong this time. This is exactly why I don't believe what some people on this board have to say. They are not always right like others think they are. I also retracted what I stated regarding the word "EVERY". Maybe you should read my posts in their entirety. And you sir are indeed wrong quite a lot on this board. Just my opinion!

Erik, you are entitled to your opinion. However, if you are going to resort to name calling, and grose personal attack, it will not be tolerated. Sorry.. That is all...