Celebrate your troops

[sonnic]

I have often thought why we don't hear ANY good stories come out of the war in Iraq and Afganistan. I think we need to start a publication that dwells on the success's of the war and what we are accomplishing instead of Always being reminded of how bad of a decision it was to confront saddam in the first place. I HATE THE MEDIA!!! I do get emails everyonce and a while showing the good were doing but never on a national scale. I would do it just to show the American people that they can be PROUD of what we are doing. But think about the business opportunity it could present. Wouldn't you like to hear about some success stories in IRAQ and make hero's out of the soldiers instead of brand them with this relentless prissioner abuse scandal crap.

I don't currently have family in IRAQ but i think just about every single American knows someone over there and wouldn't you think they would want to recieve news ??????????? Sounds obvious to me but if so why isn't it being done??? Opinions please....

[DZ314]

I certainly would like to hear more positive events rather than the CNN reports of wrong-doing, scandals, etc..... Shock value does nothing for me, I would rather see uplifting things reported than the vile and despicable acts which rank down in the lower bowels of humanity. I know those things happen, but I don't need the visuals beamed into my television set on a constant basis. I like to try to keep up with what is going on which is why I watch the news, but anymore it is just getting worse and worse to stomach.

[Deb]

My brother writes to us and calls our mother, and also calls his wife, and he lets us know that he is safe and his camp site hasn't been attacked so far.

Few weeks ago..a nearby camp (10 minutes away) was attacked and 3 soldiers were killed, 8 soldiers were wounded.

So "good" stories are a lil bit hard to come by as the terriosts continues to fight againist the United States & Allies in repairing/reconstructing Iraq.

Perhaps inside cities or in few isolated locations, there are good news such as iraqis being very relieved to be free of Saddam, and getting water, food, education and so forth.

My brother did mention that hospitals are at least 5 x better than it was before the "war", and that the school systems are underway to help improve overal education.

[sonnic]

See Deb you are just like the normal american you think that we are losing this war. The FACT is their is a lot of good going on over there. It's not like were over there ONLY to fight Al Sadar's men. We have a cause and we are sticking to it. It makes me mad that the american people are so uneducated about the big picture and little by little the battles we are winnning

I only wish that the media wouldn't portray our troops in such a negitive light. And then on top of that we have the biggest
Socialist of them all Ted Kennedy calling Bush a Liar what is this country comming to?

[Deb]

It isn't matter of what I think of us losing or winning the war.

In my opinion..I don't fully understand the whole point of the war and bombing and etc in Iraq. I know that the goal was to get Saddam and Bid Ladden, as well as weapons of mass destructions.

But when did it come in that we were to reconstruct Iraq? I mean...we have enough problems with our own people in the country. A wise person said to me "You must help yourself before you can help others"

I just wish we would help ourselves first and "offer" help to another country. Not walk in and say "Ok we gonna help ya!"

Maybe I'm not fully educated on the whole point of the war, but don't assume that I think we are losing the war :)

[New Kid In The Hall]

I am with Deb on the one point...the war and taking Sadam out was fine, but it is NOT our duty to reconstruct Iraq. Let them pay for their own reconstruction with the sale of their oil. Hell, there was one find of US currency that Sadam had hidden away that totaled over $600 million US. Tell me that money wasn't going to be used for naughty things...

[sonnic]

I agree too I dont want to occupy Iraq I think we MUST be there. Remeber Desert Storm we kicked saddam's butt and then pulled out. Now we are finishing what we started. Oh and let me remind you of June 30th deadline. We will have a presense in IRAQ for the next 50+ years.

[dags_lax]

Sonnic, I am curious as to why you think we will be there for the next 50 years? Do you think it will take that long for the Iraqis to get stabilized to the point where they are able to govern themselves without needing a U.S. or U.N. presence to legitimize their government.

[skor]

Don't get me wrong or anything, I think that the war on Iraq had to come and now was a good time, not finding any weapons of mass destructions does not mean that Sadam was not working on getting some, in fact just think what could have happen if he had such weapons and he used it on the american and british boys.
But, you got sadam, you found out that there are no weapons of mass destructions now get out, History teaches us that you can not force countries to accept a way of living (remember Vietnam), if the Iraqi people don't want to live as a western democratic country then let them be, who the hell died and made Bush/America god.
The only time that american intervention was needed, it came a bit late, and I'm talking about word war II.

BTW the plan is to rebuild Iraq from oil money

And I think that sonnic think that they will stay there for the next 50 years for the same reason that America still have military base in Germany

[sonnic]

absolutly skor. We won't occupy Iraq for the next 50 years but we will be there to help them and that will take a very long time. Im not saying they have to adopt "american democracy" but the democracy that works best for them. I will never agree with anyone who says that a dictadorship is a good government for these civilized times

There is no success in war ever, inocent people gets killed. both parties will end up loosing always.
There is always the need to remind the american people that this war was based in lies and that people its dieying because of them so that the same people can put an end to that nonsence also so future generations know that war is wrong no matter what.

Dictatorship its not a good way of goberment but in these civilized times war its worse and a war for money its even worse.

How come America went against the institution that america created after ww2 to solve this kind of problems with out a war, the ONU guys went there and said there were no mass destruction weapons so why did you had to go to war. To take out Saddam? that was and is not and will never be your responsability that in the least of cases was responsability of the ONU and the irqui people.

America went there only for tow reasons power and money no world security , its a fact that the world its more dangerous because of your declared war to terrorism.
I am not only speaking of innocent people of iraq I am also speaking for all your soldiers that dont even know why are they dieying for (and It isnt for your country )
I just cant understand why the people in america does nothing against your president/ goverment when its clear he/they have been lieying to you with out any remorse.

[DZ314]

Guest, you have no clue. I am not even going to get into this with you because it does not sound like you have any idea what you are talking about. It appears as though you may be experiencing one of those ID 10T errors.

[audiopro]

Guest,

Shake your head....

What did ya hear??

Exactly..........

[dags_lax]

its a fact that the world its more dangerous because of your declared war to terrorism.

I disagree, not that the world is a more dangerous place, but that it is more dangerous because of a war on terrorism. Terrorism needs to be fought and I wish the Bush administration would fight it. For the life of me I can't understand why the Bush took troops and money from the efforts in Afghanistan to start a war against a country that posed no real threat to the U.S. A war which served to reinforce our already negative standing amongst the populace of the middle east. Why this, and previous administrations, ignore the fact that most of these terrorists come from Saudi Arabia, that they are financed primarily from with funds from Saudi Arabia, and that it is radical, conservative, fundamentalist Islamic clerics in Saudi Arabia that are preaching this Holy Jihad.

[DZ314]

It seems like they are afraid of something. And by they I do not mean our current president or any former ones specifically.

[sonnic]

First of all I must say that war CAN be justified. And in this case I think it is. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about what so ever. By your grammar your intelligence shows right through. I must say war is a horrible thing and should be avoided at all costs. But as I said sometime war is necessary to keep the peace in the world. Saddam was a danger to the world and it is absolutely crystal clear that that the world is better without him.

Guest said, "Dictatorship its not a good way of goberment but in these civilized times war its worse and a war for money its even worse."

A year war is worse than 30+ years of genocide??? What planet are you living on Mr. Guest??? Open your eyes we are not benefiting from the oil in Iraq... look at gas prices now are you benefiting? Of course not. We are there to FREE the Iraqi people and stabilize the region.

Guest said, ""America went there only for tow reasons power and money no world security, its a fact that the world its more dangerous because of your declared war to terrorism. I am not only speaking of innocent people of Iraq I am also speaking for all your soldiers that don’t even know why are they dying for (and It isn’t for your country) I just cant understand why the people in America does nothing against your president / goverment when its clear he/they have been lying to you with out any remorse.

First of all who do you think you are? How do you know that their was ONLY "tow" reasons anyway an NO world security how could you possibly know that? How do you classify a fact that the world is more dangerous now??? What a stupid statement by you. And duh if you look back when is that last terrorist attack.........um 9/11 2001 It has almost been 3 years and not even a close attempt. What does that tell you? WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO SPEAK FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE OR OUR (what is this your soldiers shit again what planet are you from?) SOLDIERS. Just because Michael more says the solders aren't happy certainly doesn't make it true. I would predict that over 75% of solders are proud to serve and proud of what they are doing. What has Bush "lied" about???? You have no basis for that statement at all.

Don't tell me you think that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq if you think that then im sorry I wasted my time writing this post. It is abundantly clear Saddam USED wmd's against the Iraqi people. Do you trust that saddam destroyed them all??? VERY unlikely. Yeah its true that the weapons inspectors didn't find any WMD's but I would argue they couldn't find them if we gave them 100 years. How are you going to search an entire country for something that small? And also with this oil for food scandal going on I don't think anyone can trust the UN. Especially the commy Hans bilix

I agree terrorism has to be fought but for example in afganistan americans went there and fought the hole country (taliban) because they (talibans) didnt beleive osama had done the 9/11 event. There is no evidence that osama did that, the terrorist in the planes were saudi arabians so why did bush went against afganistan, when saudi arabia was in any case the suspect.
Now you have this saudi arabia thing and the you go against iraq saying that they had mass destruction weapons whe they didnt and that saddam was friends with osama terrorist assosiation when there is no evidence of the weapons and its known that alquaeda (I dont know how its spelled) and the iraq people are enemies, why you didnt look to saudi arabia when they have nuclear capability and links to the terrorists of 9/11.

WAR its WRONG no matter what.
Killing its wrong no matter what

[DZ314]

Soooo......if an armed intruder broke in and shot and killed a loved one of yours and was coming after you to kill you are you telling me that you would not defend yourself? Oh wait, but killing is wrong no matter what right? Give me a break, you're wrong no matter what!

There would be a more valid reason but in this case you (americans) are the "armed intruder broke in and shot and killed a loved one of yours and was coming after you to kill you "

I guess only time will tell if I am right or wrong to your eyes
I wont post anything else about this topic unless I get insulted again.

[DZ314]

Your equating us to the armed intruder is pretty hysterical if you ask me. We do not set out to harm innocent civilians, so stop siding with the monsters who are the targets. You seem somewhat like a terrorist sympathizer to me. Get real, peel off the blinders and view the world as it really is for a change.

there are thousand of iraqui people killed by your bombs and I suppose you think all of them are militars I can only hope you see the truth some day.
Sorry I wont post againI really hope that people change and start thinking that war its a bad thing before its too late and a nuclear war its unleashed.
So best wishes to you all and God bless you and enlighten the love in yourself.
Looking at your profile I can understand why you are so prone to agresivity.
Lets hope that you never encounter your self in the victims shoes.

[DZ314]

Show me some proof then, genius. All you're doing is talking out of your a-hole. You have given absolutely ZERO to back up these words in space, which is what they are without anything behind them. Besides, you called other liars and now you are a liar. You posted again after you said you would not. What does that make you? That's right, a HYPOCRITE. Do you know what that means? If not, copy and paste it into www.google.com and look it up.

guest, just leave and don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

I do know what that means but it does not change the fact that war its wrong even if it its justified its wrong. In this case to ME it isnt even justified. There are other ways besides WAR.
Rememeber this may be it will even help your play, to any problem there is at least 1 more option.

Guess what I wont leave I will try not to post in tis topic anymore but I wont leave

[Deb]

okay okay everybody....

Breathe in and out :)

Thank you :)

[DZ314]

War works! War is great! Grab your bombs and blow some stuff up YAY!!!!!

[audiopro]

Seinfeld...

Serenity Now... :)

[skor]

aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Its nice to have peace dont you think

[skor]

Peace is great, but it takes two to tango, if one side does not want peace then you can't have peace.
I don't like to see or hear about people dying, not from war or car accidents or illness or criminal acts, and I'm sure all of this forum members feel the same.
But in the real world things are a bit different, some times talks reach dead ends and sometime one side does not even want to talk.
The terrorists of the new milenum are more dangerous then ever, they are also more cowards then ever, they hide behind weman and children because they know that the western armys will try to avoid killing innocent people, they have no value to life of others or their own (suicide bombers), so I don't have a problem with taking their life before they take sombody else's life.
These extremist people are brain washed by fanatic religious preachers who seek to be in power in these countries, a good education can help but before you renforce the foundation or build a house you have to kill the termites first.
I don't know where you are from and it doesn't realy matter, I've been to that erea (the middle east) for more then any of you and when you see things from a very close point of view then I sure you'll talk differently.

I guess that we agree to disagree. I think violence only genetarate violence and to end that vicious cycle it takes one of the parties to stop. To Promote violence and war to me its wrong, there is always an exeption to the rule but it must be avoided at all costs. There are no winners at war.
This is my point of view, I like to think that I am trying to make that "Real World" a better place.
Dont take it personal may be I said I some thing I shouldnt have said for that I appologize, but try to be in the others shoes think of all the suffering caused by this war.

[DZ314]

Guest are you failing to recognize that maybe alot of this VIOLENCE is originating from the MIDDLE EAST? Hello? McFly? Anyone home? :D

[Deb]

Guys guys...:) HI :)

*throws some candies and all sort of kewl stuff that ya all like*

Such a beautiful day outside.

Hmm :)

[audiopro]

So Guest... Do you play pool at all? How long ya been playing? What kind of cue do you play with??

Why don't you introduce yourself. If you are interested in taking part maybe in some of the more pool related topics, maybe we can all benefit from that. I know you may be a bit upset with some of the treatment you have received, but such topics always tend to get a bit heated. How about moving on to brighter subjects? Or is it just this one topic you wanted to touch on? Just curious...

I am not falling to recognize it I have always know it that part of the world its to violent and take exagerated actions, but some one has to be the "big man" and stop the violence and In my opinion you cant stop violence with more violence (welll may be you can but the results are always red numbers)
Actually I have created an account with this forum I think that remaining anonimous might be an adavantage in this situation since to some people its hard to leave the "game" in the field (or in the table if you prefer).
I have been playing pool for a long time and I think I am quite good at it.

"How about moving on to brighter subjects?"

I will, promise.

[audiopro]

Anonymous for this subject sounds fair enough. However I have had disagreements in the past with others, and have found that we are all able to move on pretty well once things have time to smooth over. In addition, posting from a registered acct. tends to hold more validity and opinions are usually respected a little more when we know who we are dealing with. I would like to think that based on my past posts and the trust, confidence, and respect I may have gained, would help deter people from jumping too quickly with the derogatory replies.

Either way, fair enough.. What is everyones plans for the 4th? 8)

[Deb]

Get some illegal fireworks...set em off in the back yard (I'm inside village limit)....and have a good ol` bonfire. :D

Aww yeah. Keeping up the tradition once more!

[audiopro]

Nice!!! Lucky you! I have not had the real fireworks for a long time.. Myself and some others are going to 'Red Hot and BOOM' here in Orlando. It is a huge fireworks fest that is put on by the city and sponsored by one of the radio stations. They usually have a few big name bands. Last year I think they had the backdoor boys and Jessica Simpson...??? I dunno, something like that... :)

[DZ314]

I am going to some of the local fireworks shows with family and then having a bonfire at a friends' party. It will be a good time I think haha! :D

[audiopro]

By the way, this event they do here is done around Cranes Roost Park. It is a pretty good size lake with a bunch of walkways over and around the lake. They block off a bunch of street space and vendors setup..... BEER STANDS!!!!!!

[sonnic]

I just have one thing to say to this....

"Guest" said "In my opinion you cant stop violence with more violence"

If we didn't envoke some violence when hitler and the Germans took over France. France and the rest of the world would all be speaking German right now. As the middle east is concerned, those people are living life as we did a 1000 years ago. killing is a way of life for them over there. If we don't help fix it who will???? Also we took out a man that used his power to kill MILLIONS of INNOCENT people. Would anyone deny that Saddam Hussain is a crimminal? I would think that an overwelming majority wouldn't. So if this crimminal who is in a position of power is Killing millions of people.... you're god dam right were going to do something about it. I would be ashamed as a citizen To the greatest and most Powerful country int the world to stand by and do nothing. It is our obligation to help the world become a better place if we can.

The United States Government is the Wost Government in the World.... Except for all the others.

[dags_lax]

So if this crimminal who is in a position of power is Killing millions of people.... you're god dam right were going to do something about it. I would be ashamed as a citizen To the greatest and most Powerful country int the world to stand by and do nothing.

Time to hang your head shame Sonic. America has never used military force for the purpose of stopping the killing of thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions of innocents. America didn’t take military action to oppose Hitler’s ethnic cleansing. In fact America ignored the gas chambers and didn’t get involved until the armies of the Third Reich invaded our allies.

Examples: The Armenian genocide in Turkey. Stalin killed over 17 million Russians. The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, over 20% of the population, 1.7 million deaths. In Rwanda Hutu militiamen, soldiers, and ordinary citizens murdered some 800,000 Tutsi and Hutu. Ethnic cleansing is happening in Darfur as I write this. And just about every other petty dictatorship in Africa is currently involved in atrocities such as these. And what did America do then? What is it doing now? Lip service at best. And for the most part not a damn thing!

This is truly a non-partisan issue as no political party can take the high ground here. Democrats and Republicans alike have, at best, stuck their heads in the sand and, at worst, made killings on such a large scale possible.

Let’s take a look at Bush the Younger and bill of goods he sold the American Public in order to justify a preemptive war with Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction and links to terrorism, both of which he pedaled to America as a threat to the security of it’s citizens. Never once did Bush say the reason America needed to invade Iraq was because Saddam tried to kill off the Kurdish population. How could he? After all, that poison gas that Saddam used with a vengeance to kill off the Kurds, came from America. And as long as Saddam kept the oil flowing and was at war with Iran, America supplied the poison gas.

America is a great country but it can become even greater. Some times hard decisions need to be made and the right thing needs to be done even though to do so may upset an ally or not be in the best interests of American multi national conglomerates.

Sonnic I cant go out and play no more, sorry thats a lie, I dont want to play no more.

[dags_lax]

Sorry Sonic. I didn't mean to sound like I was picking on you. All Americans, in fact all peoples of the civilized world need to hang their heads in shame. Who ever gave us the quote "Evil flourishes where good men do nothing" hit the nail right on the head.

[audiopro]

Who ever gave us the quote "Evil flourishes where good men do nothing" hit the nail right on the head.

-Felix Martin